Joey Ramsdens response to David Thiselton article

Craig Eudey Wrote:

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> WE the Cape trainers have no restrictions on 2yr
> olds as far as I remember which is what Dean likes
> to do. They can bring those. We are trying to make
> our racing better but that is not going to happen
> if they are coming here with older maidens and
> lowly rated horses. Bring your good horses. That
> is all we ask.

That's rubbish, it's not "all we ask". If this were cricket, you limiting how the opposition must bowl, but applying none of it to yourselves...how on earth do you build anything that can stand on it's own two feet like that. Pathetic.

If someone goes to the trouble of bringing kak horse to KZN, it will be an expensive trip for nothing... they'll get beat or eliminated or self destruct very quickly.

You say you welcome the good horses. If the good will win, and the bad will lose, how (with any honour) do you justify your nanny rules? Either you NEED them rules, or you dont. Utter pathetic, vintage old school.

Interesting that it seems like that the majority of posters who are in a huff about our restrictions are CT based by the looks of it. Why if you are all so happy to be rid of GC Natal are you worried about us at all. Worry about CT and not us. We both seem happy to be split so let us do what we think is right for our racing, owners and trainers up here and you worry about where you race. I wont worry about what you do. You guys have enough problems to keep you going without worrying about us. The GC members up here have voted this board on and they will do what they think is right. You are entitled to your opinion but GC does not have to change anything because of it. Lets have a little bet as to how we are doing in 2years time.

Homer Wrote:

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> Must say, Joey spot on with all his comments - KZN
> will not survive (one or two decent trainers but
> the rest.......)!

Kzn has been in the doldrums for a while now and it has survived. Its not the quality of trainers, but the betting public that dictates
success, and thats what KZN have - The biggest betting public.

Jack Dash Wrote:

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> Craig Eudey Wrote:
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> > WE the Cape trainers have no restrictions on
> 2yr
> > olds as far as I remember which is what Dean
> likes
> > to do. They can bring those. We are trying to
> make
> > our racing better but that is not going to
> happen
> > if they are coming here with older maidens and
> > lowly rated horses. Bring your good horses.
> That
> > is all we ask.
>
> That's rubbish, it's not "all we ask". If this
> were cricket, you limiting how the opposition must
> bowl, but applying none of it to yourselves...how
> on earth do you build anything that can stand on
> it's own two feet like that. Pathetic.
>
> If someone goes to the trouble of bringing kak
> horse to KZN, it will be an expensive trip for
> nothing... they'll get beat or eliminated or self
> destruct very quickly.
>
> You say you welcome the good horses. If the good
> will win, and the bad will lose, how (with any
> honour) do you justify your nanny rules? Either
> you NEED them rules, or you dont. Utter pathetic,
> vintage old school.


(tu)

Craig Eudey Wrote:

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> Interesting that it seems like that the majority
> of posters who are in a huff about our
> restrictions are CT based by the looks of it.

I think you missing the point. Putting up walls is the easy part but taking them down becomes much more difficult. It's not fair to compare your restrictions to PE because you are a much bigger racing centre in a major financial city.

It is possible that the response you are getting may be predominantly CT based because your restrictions apply more to trainers who cannot raid.

I think the point is that restrictions are normally the response from a smaller centre under siege. On the one hand you want to strut with a big punting population (true), and powerful season which should attract visitors (true), home of major races (true). On the other hand you have rules which don't become you, are defensive and pretty pathetic, but still you defend them. Given the troubles in the CT, you would think there would be more "protectionism" there than in Kzn.

No matter how you cut and dice this, you are flying a yellow flag. Pathetic.

JD we are trying to improve our standard of horses here not take them down. Thats why we say bring your good horses not your rubbish. We cannot improve with mediocre maidens and merit rated 64's. Race those in your home base. Thats all we ask and not sure what the problem is.

A load of crap, Dean used to train Mainmast. She arrived in Natal and was sent to Charles Laird. She has run 2nd twice and won twice. She now has a merit rating of 78. The fact that Cape Town racing is so much stronger in terms of quality of horses means that sending them to a weaker centre like Natal makes perfect sense. Now Mainmast who was a bad horse is now a good horse getting better. What if the owner of Mainmast decided to send her to a run of the mill Natal trainer ? Should she be allowed in ? Do Natal want more bad horses ? Load of shit this !

Craig Eudey Wrote:

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> JD we are trying to improve our standard of horses
> here not take them down. Thats why we say bring
> your good horses not your rubbish. We cannot
> improve with mediocre maidens and merit rated
> 64's. Race those in your home base. Thats all we
> ask and not sure what the problem is.

May I ask how many "CT" based runners qualify as bad? And am I correct your current restrictions would block a 3yo who may be feature placed with an MR of 90.

Im a Vaalie....... who the hell is Craig Eudey? a Trainer?......<

The Saint, sometimes when not trying to explain things! Harris she was sent up to a Natal trainer to take advantage of the NOTA incentive scheme. She probably enjoys Natal and the way Charles trains. JD that horse can run here with pleasure in a merit rated race/novice/graduation/pinnacle etc. I assume you mean he is still a maiden?

Patrick Lunn Wrote:

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> picked up 1 card BASS Suit of lights,KANNEMYER
> Grayson surely these horses were not worth the
> expense of bringing to durban to win 1 race.....


to be fair those two horses have been eliminated countless times

soodum Wrote:

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> neelan Wrote:
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> > Off da topic a bit but guys just look at the
> > exotic pools for stand alone meets. KZN pools
> > always higher. All that says is there is a lot
> > more interest in GC racing. Reason I think is
> we
> > get better payouts here on these exotics. Maybe
> > its because of our "poor trainers/horses".
> Neelan,truth is that the indian community are the
> biggest punters/gamblers,look at suncoast,the
> chatsworth totes, gold circle will not survive
> without the chats totes yet the chats totes are
> the biggest shit holes in the country and hawkins
> keeps promising to upgrade these dumps


The post of the year. Well said Soodum. The Indian community keep Natal racing afloat. Natal racing is alive because of them. Its survival has nothing to do with the marketing people or clever administrators. I have not been to Durban in years but if what you say is true about poor facilities in the various totes then those in charge should be very ashamed.