Joey Ramsdens response to David Thiselton article

W E, we will survive and well. There are some people writing here that dont want to see the truth. It is not only GC here that has restrictions. PE has restrictions in certain races. For about the 50th time, GC has not said no Satallite yards. All they have said is bring the right horses. Now lets talk about Cape Town. Gavin Van Zyl( a big good string) told me he applied for boxes for the season and I think he said he was told he could only have 10( GC here says that satallite yards can have 20). Brown Stable asked for 30 and told you can have 5! Why? Phumelela, when I had Thandolwami( that bad Kwazulu Natal horse who won over a million in stakes!) I wanted to take 6 horses up there for the season as he loved Turfontein and got told no boxes available and must raid. GC gave Ruby Clipper's stable boxes in the season. Kom had to do an illegal deal with Alec Laird to get in up there. And only GC here is bad? Come on and open both eyes or take the blinkers off!

This debate boils down to fairness. Those people who have taken the risk and all the effort to have second yards in KZN are clearly affronted by such an arbitrary ruling in the face of such efforts. Obviously the KZN trainers who support this ban must therefore think that it is they who are required protection from invaders and that having these satellite yards is unfair to the locals.

While its hard to be completely impartial, its reasonable to point out to our KZN cousins, that none of the other racing centres have any arbitrary restrictions to protect locals.

Imagine if the response to KZN is to establish the same rules against them. And yes, the word is "against" and it fits, because their rule is against visitors.

If there was such a response, the KZN would have started a horrible system of dictating to people what current age and/or MR horses must be in order to travel from one province to another. The sickening thing is that it's a blast from the past and undoes all the opening of restrictions that competive people are always trying to achieve.

The only kicker in the whole thing is that KZN won't care if those restrictions are applied to them as the glory days of travelling is long gone, let alone expanding to another province. The next thing you know, someone from government will send a tribunal to decide, and you wont blame them.

Craig Eudey Wrote:

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> W E, we will survive and well. There are some
> people writing here that dont want to see the
> truth. It is not only GC here that has
> restrictions. PE has restrictions in certain
> races. For about the 50th time, GC has not said no
> Satallite yards. All they have said is bring the
> right horses. Now lets talk about Cape Town. Gavin
> Van Zyl( a big good string) told me he applied for
> boxes for the season and I think he said he was
> told he could only have 10( GC here says that
> satallite yards can have 20). Brown Stable asked
> for 30 and told you can have 5! Why? Phumelela,
> when I had Thandolwami( that bad Kwazulu Natal
> horse who won over a million in stakes!) I wanted
> to take 6 horses up there for the season as he
> loved Turfontein and got told no boxes available
> and must raid. GC gave Ruby Clipper's stable boxes
> in the season. Kom had to do an illegal deal with
> Alec Laird to get in up there. And only GC here is
> bad? Come on and open both eyes or take the
> blinkers off!


Craig.....if you have a horse that is boxed in PE it races....if you raid from CT you may be the first elimination....that's different to what you are stating.Surely if a Cape or Jhb trainer wants to come to Dbn to support your season,then who is Gc Kzn to tell that trainer which horses he may or may not bring in?Kannemeyer loved bringing a few unraced horses and had a run towards the end of the season and often went on to become very good horses.The next thing you will say let's cap the MR and suddenly top division horses won't be allowed to contest feature races.If you allocate X amount of boxes to visiting trainers then let that trainer decide which 20 or 30 horses he wants to bring to race.....not be told how to run his operation!Cape Town as we all know is very short of boxes,DD applied early enough and was accommodated......thanks to the demerger CT will now have some money to build a new training center and will be able to accommodate plenty of visiting trainers.Milnerton is chock and block full and Phillippi facilities are extremely limited at present.The WC want trainers to raid as it enhances the quality of racing in the season,a win win for all........look at Saturdays card and you will see what I mean.

WE the Cape trainers have no restrictions on 2yr olds as far as I remember which is what Dean likes to do. They can bring those. We are trying to make our racing better but that is not going to happen if they are coming here with older maidens and lowly rated horses. Bring your good horses. That is all we ask.

Craig Eudey Wrote:

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> WE the Cape trainers have no restrictions on 2yr
> olds as far as I remember which is what Dean likes
> to do. They can bring those. We are trying to make
> our racing better but that is not going to happen
> if they are coming here with older maidens and
> lowly rated horses. Bring your good horses. That
> is all we ask.


You are now knit picking.....the good horses bring themselves......the average 1 or 2 timers are now being told "you can't come to Dbn"......in theory you are saying visiting trainers are lowering the standards of Durban racing....methinks not.Do you really think that a Cape trainer wants to take a battling maiden to Durban to win a race......with the transportation cost and additional Durban fee all CT trainers charge to cover additional costs whilst they are raiding there...the maiden wins and the owner will probably still be behind.Just let common sense prevail and let the trainer decide which horses he wants to take and raid.....an expensive exercise just to take any old horse on a long road trip.

But Western they are bringing there bad maidens to durban!!!!!!!

W E say what ever you want but during the time when we had all the rain and lost meetings we were averaging about 6 Natal trained horses in maidens and merit rated 72 and under being eliminated by out of towners at the expense of the Natal owners. Those are not the type of horses that are helping Natal racing. We want the better than merit rating 76 here.

Patrick Lunn Wrote:

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> But Western they are bringing there bad maidens to
> durban!!!!!!!


So if they are so bad, why are you worried - they will get eliminated and not run anyway?

I'm not arguing the outcome of this practice in a few years time, it may well result in a 'better;' situation for KZN owners (or it may not), but as a principle, surely can not be good practice to tell trainers which horses they may bring to race whereever - just my opinion.

Patrick Lunn Wrote:

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> But Western they are bringing there bad maidens to
> durban!!!!!!!


Do you have any stats from the last season as to how many" Bad maidens" as you put it were brought to race there.....I am only looking at Cape trainers

Craig Eudey Wrote:

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> W E say what ever you want but during the time
> when we had all the rain and lost meetings we were
> averaging about 6 Natal trained horses in maidens
> and merit rated 72 and under being eliminated by
> out of towners at the expense of the Natal owners.
> Those are not the type of horses that are helping
> Natal racing. We want the better than merit rating
> 76 here.


Now u are saying because it rained visiting trainers must be prejudiced and not allowed to run.....apply the same rule as PE then.....boxed local horses get first right of acceptance BUT DONT dictate as to which horses a raiding trainer may bring for the season....by the way u seem to imply a Dbn MR 70 and a CT or JHB 70 are different.I understand u want to protect Durban owners but do it in a different way...plain and simple....

guys altho im from ct i think its fair that kzn trainers protect themselves by doing this.to me its obvious that atm kzn has the weakest trainers in rsa by a mile,so they know that even weak maiden horses from ct will win in kzn and thus further expose how weak kzn trainers actually are atm, so better to prevent these horses from competing and exposing the inadequacies of kzn boys.ct trainers hv taken enough loot in kzn in the feature season and surely are just being greedy now,i mean wen pe has feature races,cape boys raid and clean up,where will it end?do they want to win everything?lets be fair gv the kzn boys a chance to improve and get there house in order and then you cape boys can go and loot them again.

picked up 1 card BASS Suit of lights,KANNEMYER Grayson surely these horses were not worth the expense of bringing to durban to win 1 race.....