Horse weights

So if you don't want post race info, why are you all asking for split times?

And I don't understand what the difficulty is for the punters to form an association? Breeders, bookmakers, trainers, owners, the grooms trade unions, etc. Everyone has a representative body bar the punters, who apparently are the life blood of the racing game. Why would you NOT want to protect your own interests?

And just in case you are unaware, there are various consumer bodies out there protecting the consumer. They fight for your rights, often when you don't even know! Who do you think has caused the halt of the eTolls in Gauteng? It was a group of people, representing the consumer, called The Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance , who went up against the government. They did not like what was happening. They wanted it stopped. They went to court. And it was halted, indefinitely. They are just a goup of people who stood together. They have achieved a lot. It happens "out there" too! People stand together, and get what they want!

Why would the operators restart something that they did not benefit from, and made a loss from, if their customers do not tell them what they want? Do you remeber when Woolworths decided to pull the Christian magazines off their shelves? There was a huge public outcry. Their customers said they would boycott buying all magazines if Woolworths did not put those Christian magazines back onto their shelves. Guess what? The magazines are back, and they've stayed. Then there was the Woolworths/ Frankies softdrinks saga. The public were so enraged by the incident, that they said they were going to boycott shopping at Woolworths altogether! And guess what happened, Woolworths bowed to public pressure, and removed their "copycat" product from their shelves.

So twice, the consumer, the paying customer, the one who feeds their profits, and pays the shares, they made demands, and Woolwroths listened, and did what they asked...

Dave Safi tried that with SARGA and was treated like a thorn in the side of the powers that were...

Ruby do you regard ABC as a consumer group because I do and yet Phumelela does not - Really i too think debating with you is a waste of time

I think we have got off the crux of the subject and that is how are we going to get everyones horses weighed and the information to the punters in general timeously. We as trainers dont mind the weighing but it must be all horses and with the least amount of hassle to the horses.

@Hawaii
Horses were weighed on course, on raceday

Putting a horse on a scale is the same principle as the starting gates, some have to be coaxed + therefore stressed before they run.a no win situation for a trainer, especially with a highly strung animal that needs to be kept quiet for as long as possible.

Robbie Hill post on facebook just now,he weighs his horses weekly

the majority of horses at clairwood if not all get weighed once a week on the scale that was once used for the purpose of assisting the punters...its an invaluable tool for a trainer and is definitly not the same stress as the starting stall scenario as chippy suggests

I don't know if it's AS stressful as starting stalls, but anyone who's ridden a bit knows how fussy horses can be about where they walk, e.g. when crossing a bridge. Some march over it as easy as you like, but others get in a sweat when they hear the hollow thud thud of their hooves and go backwards at speed. I've seen in a race how occasionally a horse that's not used to doing it, can hesitate a fraction coming to a crossover road but then the pace and the other horses have always (that I've seen anyway) carried it forward and it hasn't actually refused.

Walking onto a metal surface might well cause some of the sillier members of the equine species to get their knackers in a knot.

well my trainer weighs her horses every friday and never has any mishaps or problems...i believe that many horses that are skittish etc this has been done by humans in the majority of cases and its amazing how certain yards or jockeys are always involved in these horses who have poor behaviour...i could name afew but wont for security reasons

to publish the weight of 2yr olds and early 3yr olds would be of very little use for punters as these horses are still growing and there weights too fluctuating.For trainers its agood training tool but they must be weighed at the same time once a week usually after work and in the afternoon