Horse weights

rubyclipper Wrote:

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> So we are going to get this right here in South
> Africa, when it has failed in Australia and the
> USA?
>
> Not ONE of you people has managed to come up with
> ANY suggestions to answer my questions!!! NOT ONE
> OF YOU!!! Lol! Not one. I have raised some VERY
> valid questions and points about the logistics of
> it, and not one of you has attempted to answer any
> of them.
>
> This is NOT a debate about transparency, it is a
> debate on HOW it could be, and possibly why is
> *hasn't* been done!!!
>
> I have asked repeatedly for suggestions on how you
> think we could achieve this very particular piece
> of transparency, and all you can say is: the
> trainers are just trying to fools us, to withhold
> information, pull the wool over our eyes, lie to
> us, not make the effort, middle us, not being
> transparent blah blah blah ad nauseum...
>
> Give some *constructive* suggestions here, members
> of African Betting Clan!!! Stick your neck out and
> show us that we are incorrect in saying that this
> would be unlikely to work. Come on!!!

Ruby how many racetracks does SA have as opposed to the USA and Australia (and trainers and horses)
We have so few tracks that this "logistical nightmare" is not real. Pirates has suggested some good ideas and I'm sure Craig could add to that. The Stipes could easily send out one of their party to weigh the De kock horses etc - It's about solutions really

When they installed sectional timing in CT, a big contributor to the failure was the inability of the racecard to carry the data. The card was already in financial difficulty. They increased the publication's size from a6 to a5 to display all the additional data, but half of the stewards were never in favour of sectional timing anyway and instead of figuring a way to be successful, just like RubyC, they took the first sign of adversity as a club to bash the whole sectional timing effort and drowned the whole thing.

All the set up costs got wasted, the system was left to rot. i remember a senior jockey at the time refused to have the little sensor attached and had to be forced by the Jockey Club who had okayed the sectional timing effort. There was an old guard who had no will to see it work. rubyC may just as well have been one of them.

Ps
I saw the sectional times for Jet Master's 2nd Queens Plate win and it was simply amazing. Between the 800 to 600m he put in a fraction faster than the Cape Flying Championship pace and dropped in 2x 200m sections around 11 seconds odd. when you watch the race you see Jet Master make this awesome move which punches him through the field to the front, then he just coasted home hands n heels. Nothing could have beaten him on the day, it was world class, and we have the times which verify it. Somewhere.

Suggestions by Pirates:

1) Weigh 4 days before (with the knowledge that weights can change up to 15kg within the week of the race, especially depending what time of day the horse is weighed)

2) Publish the weights in the newspapers and discuss on course by Telly Track presenters. Would you punters buy the newspaper on top of the racecards you already buy, to get these weights? Or would you revert to just the newspaper? They publish the fields the day before the races.

Who would you suggest oversee this weighing procedure? Should it be an official from the NHRA or racing operator? (to ensure accuracy and that no funny business is going on).

Would you be willing to waive knowing the weights of those 10% of "off centre" horses, not able to be weighed? What if that horse won, and you had no access to its weight? Would that bother you?

Forget Govender... What about The Marouns, Kotzen (CT), Spies (Cape), Erasmus etc.? These guys aren't even near a training centre.

ruby you win its mission impossible...

to answer Rubyclipper for solution - before each race the horses should be weighed as a rule, just the same as there should be sectional timing as par for course and horses' passports have to be checked by an appropriately qualified person who will verify the info is correct. The scale is digital and linked to an IT system so will record into the system automatically and fed through to the segments that need the info - this is the easy part if set up correctly. Punters on course can learn to watch the board for these, and punters off-course can easily be looped into an on-line service providing this information.

The hard part it seems is having the manpower on course to do the weighing and to verify it. And it seems that was the main reason it was dropped years ago, not sorely because it was dangerous or the equipment costly? correct me if I am wrong.

ps, I forgot to add that the cost of technology to facilitate this kind of thing is far less than the cost of not doing it!! (opportunity cost - Marketing 101)

ps Debbie, do the Singaporian runners have microchips that are read wherever they go? - Rubyclipper, this is part of the solution. Sensors placed alongside the scale can identify and verify the horse at the same time it is weighed.

pirates Wrote:

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> ruby you win its mission impossible...

i think so too -

Well I'm not the person who can say whether it must be done or not, Pirates, and Mr Hawaii

So why don't you, as a group of punters who feel that publishing the weights of runners would be beneficial to the betting public, put togther an email/ petition, with your reasons and suggestions for the whole procedure, to the Racing Operators and/ or National Horse Racing Authority? Stand together, like the punters did in the old days (like when the marched onto Gosforth Park in protest), but put your point across in a mature, well structured way. Give suggestions on when you think it could be done, and how you propse to receive that information. If you feel this strongly, can't see how the authorities could refuse?

Why don't you do that?

I have an idea and sure it can be done and it is very fair. No trainers horses will not get weighed and you will have the info before you finalize your exotics. The horses are weighed as they get to the course as they used to before and those are sent straight to all totes, bookmakers,tabgold etc. The new ruling is that you take your exotics race by race and it just multiplies out.You can then see the weights before every race and then decide who you want in the next leg of your PA, Jackpot or Pick 6. You can see the horses in the ring, go to the start and their weights. All the info you need. I mean apparently we went to the moon 50 yrs ago so this should be a walk in the park to organize!

Ah Craig, we can also show the USA and Australia up, as fools who could not make this weighing thing work. Firmly stamp ourselves as a world leader of racing innovations!

I would like to know when they planning to go to the moon again, manned not robot.
50 yrs later should put a man on Mars.
Waiting for another Kennedy perhaps?