BROWN STUFF TO HIT THE FAN...JULY WEIGHTS
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BROWN STUFF TO HIT THE FAN...JULY WEIGHTS
10 years 11 months ago
Well, just when we thought that we have had enough controversies surrounding the Handicapper, the handling of the July weights by the Handicappers comes along and all hell is about to break loose.
The conditions of the July called for the weights of the July to be published on Tuesday morning. They were duly published on SA Horseracing's website, which is the Official site. When published, they had Yorker up at 60kg topweight. After Yorkers scratching, they went and re handicapped the race.
Where the problem comes in is that the rules and conditions of the July are very clear and specific on this issue. Should the top weight be scratched, after publication of the weights, the existing, published weights MUST BE INCREASED PROPORTIONATELY. There is no allowance for re handicapping the race after the weights have been published.
By re handicapping the race, some horses benefit and others suffer. Being contrary to the rules, I hear that many with runners in the race are unhappy and are going to challenge this apparent breaking of the rules by the handicapper......
The conditions of the July called for the weights of the July to be published on Tuesday morning. They were duly published on SA Horseracing's website, which is the Official site. When published, they had Yorker up at 60kg topweight. After Yorkers scratching, they went and re handicapped the race.
Where the problem comes in is that the rules and conditions of the July are very clear and specific on this issue. Should the top weight be scratched, after publication of the weights, the existing, published weights MUST BE INCREASED PROPORTIONATELY. There is no allowance for re handicapping the race after the weights have been published.
By re handicapping the race, some horses benefit and others suffer. Being contrary to the rules, I hear that many with runners in the race are unhappy and are going to challenge this apparent breaking of the rules by the handicapper......
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Re: Re: BROWN STUFF TO HIT THE FAN...JULY WEIGHTS
10 years 11 months ago
Very interesting, the pushing up of the weights would give an advantage to horses that were under sufference are now 2kg's better off, like Futura (if getting in). :

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Re: Re: BROWN STUFF TO HIT THE FAN...JULY WEIGHTS
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A quick example is Futura. If raised proportionately, Futura would have carried 55kg, but since being re handicapped, Futura now carries 53kg....
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Re: Re: BROWN STUFF TO HIT THE FAN...JULY WEIGHTS
10 years 11 months ago
Shrek, we posted same horse name, almost simultaneously..... I'll have a sentimental little bet.....
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10 years 11 months ago
Wow it just doesn't end ...Rules are rules and they shouldn't be able to just do as they please.Definitely worth challenging.
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Re: Re: BROWN STUFF TO HIT THE FAN...JULY WEIGHTS
10 years 11 months ago
louisg Wrote:
> Shrek, we posted same horse name, almost
> simultaneously..... I'll have a sentimental little
> bet.....
LOL, me too, if he doesn't go up to 55kg's.
> Shrek, we posted same horse name, almost
> simultaneously..... I'll have a sentimental little
> bet.....
LOL, me too, if he doesn't go up to 55kg's.

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Re: Re: BROWN STUFF TO HIT THE FAN...JULY WEIGHTS
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its not final declaration yet so don't see what the problem is
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Re: Re: BROWN STUFF TO HIT THE FAN...JULY WEIGHTS
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The problem is that you don't have a runner and don't have an interest in the conditions, whilst there are those that do have runners and an interest in the conditions and the relevant application of those conditions....
To those, this is a serious issue.
To those, this is a serious issue.
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Re: Re: BROWN STUFF TO HIT THE FAN...JULY WEIGHTS
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louisg Wrote:
> The problem is that you don't have a runner and
> don't have an interest in the conditions, whilst
> there are those that do have runners and an
> interest in the conditions and the relevant
> application of those conditions....
> To those, this is a serious issue.
however im a punter and have read the conditions and don't see what the problem is as final declarations are on the 23rd june not the 10th of june
> The problem is that you don't have a runner and
> don't have an interest in the conditions, whilst
> there are those that do have runners and an
> interest in the conditions and the relevant
> application of those conditions....
> To those, this is a serious issue.
however im a punter and have read the conditions and don't see what the problem is as final declarations are on the 23rd june not the 10th of june
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Re: Re: BROWN STUFF TO HIT THE FAN...JULY WEIGHTS
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harry hotspur Wrote:
> louisg Wrote:
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> > The problem is that you don't have a runner and
> > don't have an interest in the conditions,
> whilst
> > there are those that do have runners and an
> > interest in the conditions and the relevant
> > application of those conditions....
> > To those, this is a serious issue.
>
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> however im a punter and have read the conditions
> and don't see what the problem is as final
> declarations are on the 23rd june not the 10th of
> june
But final weights are 10th of June, why should a horse give another 2kg's less on the 11th of June?
"No penalties will be incurred after the publication of the weights." Surely you are penalising all runners not under sufference?
> louisg Wrote:
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> > The problem is that you don't have a runner and
> > don't have an interest in the conditions,
> whilst
> > there are those that do have runners and an
> > interest in the conditions and the relevant
> > application of those conditions....
> > To those, this is a serious issue.
>
>
> however im a punter and have read the conditions
> and don't see what the problem is as final
> declarations are on the 23rd june not the 10th of
> june
But final weights are 10th of June, why should a horse give another 2kg's less on the 11th of June?
"No penalties will be incurred after the publication of the weights." Surely you are penalising all runners not under sufference?
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Re: Re: BROWN STUFF TO HIT THE FAN...JULY WEIGHTS
10 years 11 months ago
Harry you always seem to want to have a different opinion
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Re: Re: BROWN STUFF TO HIT THE FAN...JULY WEIGHTS
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hibernia Wrote:
> Harry you always seem to want to have a different
> opinion
sorry for that but that's how I read it from the website lets see what the final outcome of this is
> Harry you always seem to want to have a different
> opinion
sorry for that but that's how I read it from the website lets see what the final outcome of this is
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