Heavy night in London :S

news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16045049

How are these gangs getting away with this looting,as the bobies stand their distance,get the army involved,or burn London burn.

why are they rioting?

Sly they started showing Ngong on Racing UK ()

Yes i could imagine that would cause trouble .<

Here's a more objective (albeit subjective from a leftist point) which is worth considering (from Debating -List):


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FIVE QUICK POINTS ABOUT THE RIOTS
August 9th, 2011 § 18 Comments
I am writing a longer and more reflective piece, but in the meantime here are five quick points about the riots in London and elsewhere:
1
This is not a rerun of the inner city riots that shook Britain in the late seventies and the eighties. Those riots were a direct challenge to oppressive policing and to mass unemployment. They threatened the social fabric of Britain's inner cities and forced the government to rethink its mechanisms of social control. Today's riots may have made the Metropolitan police look inept, revealed politicians as out of touch and brought mayhem to some parts of London, Liverpool and Birmingham. But there is little sense that they pose a challenge to social order, in the way that the 80s riots did, or that they are in any sense 'insurrectionary', as Darcus Howe described those revolts. Rather today's riots amounted to the trashing of some of the poorest areas in the city. On Friday night, when the riots began in Tottenham, there was some political content to the violence, an inchoate response to the shooting of Mark Duggan (whose death looks increasingly like a police killing rather than the outcome of an exchange of fire). By Saturday the riots had descended largely into arson and looting with little sense of political motive or cause.
2
The riots are not about race. Many on the left have seen them as a response to racist policing. Many on the right have been pouring out racist bile against 'immigrants'. In fact race has played little role in the violence. This is not to deny that young black men continue to be the primary target of police stop and search (an issue that has been shamefully ignored in recent years). Nor is it to deny that there is a legacy of bitterness about, and resentment of, police tactics in many inner city communities. But the riots were not in any way defined by racial divisions, antagonisms or resentments.
3
The polarisation between the claim that 'the riots are a response to unemployment and wasted lives' and the insistence 'the violence constitutes mere criminality' makes little sense. There is clearly more to the riots than simple random hooliganism. But that does not mean that the riots, as many have claimed, are protests against disenfranchisement, social exclusion and wasted lives. In fact, it's precisely because of disenfranchisement, social exclusion and wasted lives that these are not 'protests' in any meaningful sense, but a mixture of incoherent rage, gang thuggery and teenage mayhem. Disengaged not just from the political process (largely because politicians, especially those on the left, have disengaged from them), there is a generation (in fact more than a generation) with no focus for their anger and resentment, no sense that they can change society and no reason to feel responsible for the consequences of their actions. That is very different from suggesting that the riots were caused by, a response to, or a protest against, unemployment, austerity and the cuts.
4
We should ignore anyone who talks about what 'the community' wants or needs. So called 'community leaders' are very much part of the problem.
5
Mindless though the rioters may be, those who call for the army to be unleashed, curfews to be imposed, or 'robust policing' to be used, are more mindless still, and more dangerous.

More perspective om the rioting from the Guardian:

o Stafford Scott
o guardian.co.uk, Monday 8 August 2011 22.00 BST


It's usual practice when someone is killed that their personal details are not made public until the next of kin has been informed. Mark Duggan's family saw in headlines that he had been killed as a result of a "terrifying shoot-out". Why such a difference in treatment? I was one of those who went to Tottenham police station on Saturday, with members of his family, to get an official acknowledgement that Mark had been killed. No official confirmation had been given to the family. As a community we were outraged they were being treated with such disregard by both the Met and the IPCC.
Why, 10 years after the Macpherson inquiry reported on institutional racism in the Met, should it still occur? We are from Tottenham: we have seen Cynthia Jarrett, Joy Gardner and Roger Sylvester killed by the police and do not expect finite answers from an investigation that has barely begun. All we really wanted was an explanation of what was going on. We needed to hear directly from the police. We waited for hours outside the station for a senior officer to speak with the family, in a demonstration led by young women. A woman-only delegation went into the station, as we wanted to ensure that this did not become confrontational. It was when the young women, many with children, decided to call it a day that the atmosphere changed, and guys in the crowd started to voice and then act out their frustrations.

Remember the English Media going crazy over how unsafe it was to hold the WC in SA? Hope they enjoy the Olypmics><

People were upset about how this started. But now it is just an excuse to loot, steal and burn. I suppose we should say who cares about the shop owners, the residents, the children. I cant name one other country where the police are more fair. I think so sad Umlilo...

Eish Umlilo..thanks for that..I honestly worry bout all this cause its definitely the economy at the end of the day that causes it..jobs are becoming a major problem worldwide as technology advances..there just too many people on the planet..and huge gap between haves and have nots..we must be grateful for what we have.

@Umlilo - Apparently it is only the youth that are rioting. I have heard that one need not fear adults but rather a group of teenagers and kids. Makes one think of the Wall by Pink Floyd, or the undoing of the songs theory. www.thewallanalysis.com/main/

Problem is a lack of discipline. Social ills passed through generations of families. Dependencies on drugs and alcohol destroying the social fabric.

Lastly, did they not have a similar problem in France a few years back?

Great to note some objective comments.

Yes, Oscar, Alcaponee, etc..... family fabric seems to have ruptured uncontrollably & politicians have not been reading the signs or effects of their decisions (global).

There are numerous speculations (that's easy after the event!) and conflicting wants/needs (education, employment, climate change, wars {including internecine} and random killings without any accountability, drug trafficking/cartels, oil/gas, etc).... a world of hatred and mistrust!

Really sad behaviour of homo sapiens! Even animals behave according to their nature; a dog will bark at a stranger and wag its tail at its owner.... not humans!

Their Creator must be really :S!