CTS April Yearling Sale 2018
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Re: CTS April Yearling Sale 2018
7 years 2 months ago
.....where are all those people that applauded Jooste and what he has done for racing and breeding.....this is the reality.... he will surely be remembered for this contribution..... :ohmy:
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7 years 2 months ago
A very tough day at the office for the breeders.
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7 years 2 months agoPeterD wrote: A very tough day at the office for the breeders.

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Re: CTS April Yearling Sale 2018
7 years 2 months ago
Highlight of this sale - LOT 152
Auctioneer starts extolling the pedigree " 4 winners including PUSSYLIPS"
worked out his error Pussycat Lips but the deed was done
Auctioneer starts extolling the pedigree " 4 winners including PUSSYLIPS"
worked out his error Pussycat Lips but the deed was done
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Re: CTS April Yearling Sale 2018
7 years 2 months ago
Muhti
I do not want to argue a point with you for the simple reason that I know that you love this game as I do and that, yes, we are both "victims" as such.
However, IMHO, these Sale prices have less to do with Jooste than they have to do with many other factors....the same factors that you and I have so often
written about. To me, the fundamental principle will remain that if Jooste's exit is the main reason for these low prices, then we must concede that the previous high prices were because he was still in the game.We cannot have our bread buttered on both sides.
To you, my fellow lover of Racing, Jooste is the red flag to the bull. He is the cause of all evil, the despotic controller of every positon in racing and the worst thing ever to happen to our beloved industry.
To me, Jooste brought value to racing. He put huge money into the game and he endeavoured to take SA racing back to its previous heights. He did this at a time when the industry was at a low and in big trouble. The coincidental timing of his ascendancy was when a boost was most needed. And yes, many used his name to get things done their way in racing and in the vast majority of times that this was done, Jooste had no idea that it was happening. And this I do know for a fact. Ultimately though, whichever way you or I stand, the bottom line remains right now, that Racing is in trouble.
So , I would prefer to leave Jooste out of the equation and to then try and accurately define what is really happening in racing.
To me tbe middle market collapsed about 2 years ago. The writing was on the wall about 3 years ago. A combination of lesser racing opportunities for most horses ( programming), handicapping ( merit rating) , cost of keep ( training fees) versus stakes, draw dependent courses, exorbitant vet bills ( vets cabal), absolute failure to create any sort of customer retention plan by the operators , a total lack of an effective marketing drive to gain new customers and a host of restrictive rules as well as a form of apathy when it comes to necessary rulings for the benefit of Owners ( eg EHV Vacs) from NHA are the causes of our current situation.
I cannot blame all of the above on Jooste. You again, can argue against me. But, whichever way you or I see things, we are still in this same situation, together, right now. The signs are there, clear as daylight, when we pull our heads out of the sand. And we better, all, put our heads together and find solutions.
And we must pray that everyone in racing recognises the same danger signs and that no effort is spared in our quest to revive our beloved industry.
And that no ego is greater than that quest....
I do not want to argue a point with you for the simple reason that I know that you love this game as I do and that, yes, we are both "victims" as such.
However, IMHO, these Sale prices have less to do with Jooste than they have to do with many other factors....the same factors that you and I have so often
written about. To me, the fundamental principle will remain that if Jooste's exit is the main reason for these low prices, then we must concede that the previous high prices were because he was still in the game.We cannot have our bread buttered on both sides.
To you, my fellow lover of Racing, Jooste is the red flag to the bull. He is the cause of all evil, the despotic controller of every positon in racing and the worst thing ever to happen to our beloved industry.
To me, Jooste brought value to racing. He put huge money into the game and he endeavoured to take SA racing back to its previous heights. He did this at a time when the industry was at a low and in big trouble. The coincidental timing of his ascendancy was when a boost was most needed. And yes, many used his name to get things done their way in racing and in the vast majority of times that this was done, Jooste had no idea that it was happening. And this I do know for a fact. Ultimately though, whichever way you or I stand, the bottom line remains right now, that Racing is in trouble.
So , I would prefer to leave Jooste out of the equation and to then try and accurately define what is really happening in racing.
To me tbe middle market collapsed about 2 years ago. The writing was on the wall about 3 years ago. A combination of lesser racing opportunities for most horses ( programming), handicapping ( merit rating) , cost of keep ( training fees) versus stakes, draw dependent courses, exorbitant vet bills ( vets cabal), absolute failure to create any sort of customer retention plan by the operators , a total lack of an effective marketing drive to gain new customers and a host of restrictive rules as well as a form of apathy when it comes to necessary rulings for the benefit of Owners ( eg EHV Vacs) from NHA are the causes of our current situation.
I cannot blame all of the above on Jooste. You again, can argue against me. But, whichever way you or I see things, we are still in this same situation, together, right now. The signs are there, clear as daylight, when we pull our heads out of the sand. And we better, all, put our heads together and find solutions.
And we must pray that everyone in racing recognises the same danger signs and that no effort is spared in our quest to revive our beloved industry.
And that no ego is greater than that quest....
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7 years 2 months ago
Louis,
I was told 7 years ago by a very prominent international owner that he is rolling up most of his south African dealings bar a few breeding interests because there is one man who is attempting to control racing from the inside.....ALL of racing, from bottom to top!
That man's opinion was good enough for me!
My main concern is that all this money he was pumping into racing was built on the backs of hard working men and women..... I'm not ok with that.
. Same with van Vuuren....... all his big buying and big bravado. Would never have taken place had it not been for his alleged humungous fraud!
Hope racing survives and thrives..........
I was told 7 years ago by a very prominent international owner that he is rolling up most of his south African dealings bar a few breeding interests because there is one man who is attempting to control racing from the inside.....ALL of racing, from bottom to top!
That man's opinion was good enough for me!
My main concern is that all this money he was pumping into racing was built on the backs of hard working men and women..... I'm not ok with that.
. Same with van Vuuren....... all his big buying and big bravado. Would never have taken place had it not been for his alleged humungous fraud!
Hope racing survives and thrives..........
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Re: CTS April Yearling Sale 2018
7 years 2 months ago
Chris
Yesterday is gone. The critical side in us could result in us harping on about the van Vuurens and Joostes. That solves absolutely nothing.
What racing needs today are practical solutions to today's challenges.
Yesterday is gone. The critical side in us could result in us harping on about the van Vuurens and Joostes. That solves absolutely nothing.
What racing needs today are practical solutions to today's challenges.
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Re: CTS April Yearling Sale 2018
7 years 2 months ago
Thats the million $ question Louis
Racing over the years has always had a "dodgy" imagine and the latest saga gave it a further image blow
If we include casinos, sports betting and even lucky numbers and possibly virtual racing the challenge is huge
Probably a downscaling and tightening of disciplines and image could help to start with with potential growth in the future but at my age, wont be taking any bets
More an observation rather than an opinion is some conversations i heared on Sat as i have personally lost interest in the Jooste saga.
" how can the silks be seen on the racetrack before and after the Met" as if the one day threat was only window dressing.
Reply along the lines " what can the authorities do, he has not been charged with anything"
Ps i do notice the British jockey club have distanced themselves from his actions.
Good punting
Racing over the years has always had a "dodgy" imagine and the latest saga gave it a further image blow
If we include casinos, sports betting and even lucky numbers and possibly virtual racing the challenge is huge
Probably a downscaling and tightening of disciplines and image could help to start with with potential growth in the future but at my age, wont be taking any bets
More an observation rather than an opinion is some conversations i heared on Sat as i have personally lost interest in the Jooste saga.
" how can the silks be seen on the racetrack before and after the Met" as if the one day threat was only window dressing.
Reply along the lines " what can the authorities do, he has not been charged with anything"
Ps i do notice the British jockey club have distanced themselves from his actions.
Good punting
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7 years 2 months agolouisg wrote: Muhti
I do not want to argue a point with you for the simple reason that I know that you love this game as I do and that, yes, we are both "victims" as such.
However, IMHO, these Sale prices have less to do with Jooste than they have to do with many other factors....the same factors that you and I have so often
written about. To me, the fundamental principle will remain that if Jooste's exit is the main reason for these low prices, then we must concede that the previous high prices were because he was still in the game.We cannot have our bread buttered on both sides.
To you, my fellow lover of Racing, Jooste is the red flag to the bull. He is the cause of all evil, the despotic controller of every positon in racing and the worst thing ever to happen to our beloved industry.
To me, Jooste brought value to racing. He put huge money into the game and he endeavoured to take SA racing back to its previous heights. He did this at a time when the industry was at a low and in big trouble. The coincidental timing of his ascendancy was when a boost was most needed. And yes, many used his name to get things done their way in racing and in the vast majority of times that this was done, Jooste had no idea that it was happening. And this I do know for a fact. Ultimately though, whichever way you or I stand, the bottom line remains right now, that Racing is in trouble.
So , I would prefer to leave Jooste out of the equation and to then try and accurately define what is really happening in racing.
To me tbe middle market collapsed about 2 years ago. The writing was on the wall about 3 years ago. A combination of lesser racing opportunities for most horses ( programming), handicapping ( merit rating) , cost of keep ( training fees) versus stakes, draw dependent courses, exorbitant vet bills ( vets cabal), absolute failure to create any sort of customer retention plan by the operators , a total lack of an effective marketing drive to gain new customers and a host of restrictive rules as well as a form of apathy when it comes to necessary rulings for the benefit of Owners ( eg EHV Vacs) from NHA are the causes of our current situation.
I cannot blame all of the above on Jooste. You again, can argue against me. But, whichever way you or I see things, we are still in this same situation, together, right now. The signs are there, clear as daylight, when we pull our heads out of the sand. And we better, all, put our heads together and find solutions.
And we must pray that everyone in racing recognises the same danger signs and that no effort is spared in our quest to revive our beloved industry.
And that no ego is greater than that quest....
....if he had gotten away with it ....we''d be peachy....racing would be flying the few small guys still left would be surviving on the table scraps...sorry I and many others could and will never see it this way....because of his influence most of the programming and attitude from the operator stemmed from the over abundance of arrogance and was shaped for his benefit....there is no quick fix to try and undo what has been done....he has left some of his goons in places that they will never be expunged from... :dry:
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7 years 2 months ago.....wonder how many went for the "levy" on the lots that were below R70K.....and do they have enough moola in levies to even stage these high stakes races.... :huh:Garrick wrote: As many of these lots may well sell for under R100,000 I see no reason to stump up an additional R 11,500 - R17,000 (excluding VAT) for a lot. That's 34% of outright theft for a R50k lot in session 1.
I'd rather keep my powder dry for the NYS.
Interesting to note that the 'levy' ( read : extortion ) has increased this year whilst the prize money for these 'million dollar' races has not. In actual fact they are worth less in real terms due to the strengthening of the rand against the dollar.
Clearly there must be a lot of bidders spending Other People's Money!
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Re: CTS April Yearling Sale 2018
7 years 2 months ago
Lou I get your story and the other posters ..its just that one can argue both sides equally well..I just need to ask whose money was it that went into racing for those years of out of sync cost of horses vs stake money..however thats not my question...
My question is :Will they still be able to hold the $500k races that these purchases have attached to them?
My question is :Will they still be able to hold the $500k races that these purchases have attached to them?
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