durban july betting

gregorypillay123 wrote:

Zietsman Oosthuizen wrote: Last winter needs to improve another 4 -7 lenghs to be competive in the July HANDICAP ... doubt the will even think about the July if he doesnt go overseas . He will be aimed at the big wfa race in jhb if they decide to travel and the champions cup end of July (same races as captain america and legal eagle )

I think he will go very very close to winning this year should he stay.Many had questioned KZN runners in up for the Cape season which alot of the fancy really did fluff their lines ie.Bill silver and sand and sea howe've Last winter had two cracking good runs and is maturing quiet nicely

Should he stay and hope he skips the triple crown and Jhb season as I agree with Karma 100% he gonna take some beating.

Well this is just my thoughts

i was under the impression that the kannemeyer stable was cape based,last winter is owned by khaya(laidlaw) and i thought dean had a sattelite yard in kzn.be that as it may,i don't think that last winter will beat the 3yr olds any time soon,as the met was his best chance and he got beat by a 3yr old filly.the filly has plenty of improvement to come from now until the durban season and i don't think any horse racing in sa at the moment will beat her over 2000m or further.that is just my opinion and of course we will never know,but thi 3yr old crop of fillies look very special to me and it seems that our breeders have upped there game and now producing international class horses.

Karma wrote: Mr H, and Warren, with all due respect (and I have utmost respect for both of you) ... Is there no concern about the history of horses competing in the triple crown (winning in this case)? History doesn't speak to many great things for a horse able to achieve great things... Imvho, Abishiri would be on a far higher earning mark had it not gone through the tough triple crown.... Yes, it broke down in the July, but.... Was that not just a consequence of its prior escapades?

you want to get a 3yr old in the July with a rating of 102-110 - you don't want to go in like poor Abba with a 117 -

People seem to be forgetting the race is a Handicap

mr hawaii wrote:

Karma wrote: Mr H, and Warren, with all due respect (and I have utmost respect for both of you) ... Is there no concern about the history of horses competing in the triple crown (winning in this case)? History doesn't speak to many great things for a horse able to achieve great things... Imvho, Abishiri would be on a far higher earning mark had it not gone through the tough triple crown.... Yes, it broke down in the July, but.... Was that not just a consequence of its prior escapades?

you want to get a 3yr old in the July with a rating of 102-110 - you don't want to go in like poor Abba with a 117 -

Mr h, pls excuse my possibly slow grasp of things, but wouldn't that mean a horse should not attempt the triple crown as his MR rating would rise... Eg (LTK and Abishiri)....

What my point is, if Magestic Mambo is that good, based on prior history, they would not go the triple crown route....

And please Mr H, don't take this as an argument, I am just trying to learn.....

Karma wrote:

mr hawaii wrote:

Karma wrote: Mr H, and Warren, with all due respect (and I have utmost respect for both of you) ... Is there no concern about the history of horses competing in the triple crown (winning in this case)? History doesn't speak to many great things for a horse able to achieve great things... Imvho, Abishiri would be on a far higher earning mark had it not gone through the tough triple crown.... Yes, it broke down in the July, but.... Was that not just a consequence of its prior escapades?

you want to get a 3yr old in the July with a rating of 102-110 - you don't want to go in like poor Abba with a 117 -

Mr h, pls excuse my possibly slow grasp of things, but wouldn't that mean a horse should not attempt the triple crown as his MR rating would rise... Eg (LTK and Abishiri)....

What my point is, if Magestic Mambo is that good, based on prior history, they would not go the triple crown route....

The best Gauteng(it is open to all though) 3yr old wins the TC - The best handicapped horse can win the July (not the best horse)- There is a July winner every year but a TC winner hardly ever - It depends on what the owner wants - if you have the right horse try to win the TC and then if you are too high in the MR for the July try to win it as a 4yr old and skip the race at 3 - Horses like Dunford and Space Walk (Hunting Tower)have won the July but only top top horses can win a TC(though sometimes I think it takes so much out of them that they take ages to recover especially fillies who contest all three legs of the TT)

mr hawaii wrote:

Karma wrote: Mr H, and Warren, with all due respect (and I have utmost respect for both of you) ... Is there no concern about the history of horses competing in the triple crown (winning in this case)? History doesn't speak to many great things for a horse able to achieve great things... Imvho, Abishiri would be on a far higher earning mark had it not gone through the tough triple crown.... Yes, it broke down in the July, but.... Was that not just a consequence of its prior escapades?

The TC series is a great pointer - Pomodoro, Al Saheem, Igugu, Legal Eagle(very unlucky in the July) etc zirconiuem English Garden etc

And also Greys Inn. In fact he had a harder route than Abashiri. Abashiri's route going into the July was phish.

Interesting discussion

The triple crown vs the July

It is much the same in the UK

Triple crown vs ARC

The St Leger is the last leg and fairly close to the ARC and was also a bridge too far for Nijinsky

The TC series brings excitement and some up and coming talent to the fore which is exactly what we need for racing in SA.

See H/wood have betting up for the July

Vodacom Durban July 2018 - Ante-Post Betting - Hollywoodbets

Odds - Horse
7/1 - African Night Sky
8/1 - Eyes Wide Open
10/1 - Majestic Mambo
10/1 - Oh Susanna
10/1 - Snowdance
12/1 - Cascapedia
12/1 - Last Winter
12/1 - Marinaresco
16/1 - Abashiri
16/1 - Do It Again
20/1 - Legal Eagle
25/1 - Captain America
25/1 - Gold Standard
25/1 - Liege
33/1 - Hat Puntano
33/1 - Heavenly Blue
33/1 - Monks Hood
33/1 - Pack Leader
33/1 - White River
33/1 - Yakeen
40/1 - Fresnaye
40/1 - Nother Russia
40/1 - Undercover Agent
50/1 - Captain And Master
50/1 - Fort Ember
50/1 - Hashtagyolo
50/1 - Seerite
50/1 - Tap O' Noth
66/1 - Cot Campbell
66/1 - Girl On The Run
66/1 - Like A Panther
66/1 - Pietro Mascagni
66/1 - Sail South
66/1 - Surcharge
75/1 - Coral Fever
75/1 - French Navy
75/1 - Glider Pilot
75/1 - Horizon
75/1 - Pagoda
75/1 - Talk Of The Town
100/1 - Copper Force
100/1 - Crowd Pleaser
100/1 - Elusive Silva
100/1 - Krambambuli
100/1 - Lady Of The House
100/1 - Matador Man
100/1 - New Predator
100/1 - Rocket Countdown
100/1 - Silvan Star
100/1 - Vacquero
150/1 - Deo Juvente
150/1 - Silicone Valley
200/1 - Banner Hill
200/1 - Black Arthur
200/1 - Brazuca
200/1 - Folk Dance
200/1 - Hermoso Mundo
200/1 - Milton
200/1 - Nebula
200/1 - Nightingale
200/1 - Star Express
250/1 - Mambo Mime
250/1 - Master Sabina
300/1 - Celtic Captain

Majestic Mambo..Triple crown DONE..
Last Winter ... July DONE