KZN Barrier trials - things to know

If you going to introduce barrier trials for first timers and horses coming back from a 4 month rest then you have to do it IN ITS PUREST FORM AND BY GIVING HORSES 70 seconds to run 1000 metres on the poly which is already a faster surface than grass then you arent going to be helping anyone least of all the punters as most 1200m races on the poly are run in about 70 seconds so looking at the run ons for friday nights QUALIFIED MAIDEN OVER 1000M WHICH IS THE LOWEST CLASS OF HORSE THE LAST HORSE OVER THE LINE RAN IT IN 60 SECONDS AND IT FINISHED 11 LENGTHS BEHIND THE WINNER AND NOW YOU GIVING HORSES 70 SECONDS TO RUN IT IN SO all you be doing will be totally counter productive ..it will be a waste of money in its current form exactly the same as your futile attempt at introducing sectional timing which cost the operator a few million...YOU want to make the game more transparent for the punters then ask the likes of mr hawaai to help you it will cost you a lot less and you will get a lot more turnover

Rule 11: fields will be between 2 and 8 runners.
I did not realize that a trial was like another race. I, naively, thought that the triallists would run by their lonesomes.





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pirates wrote: If you going to introduce barrier trials for first timers and horses coming back from a 4 month rest then you have to do it IN ITS PUREST FORM AND BY GIVING HORSES 70 seconds to run 1000 metres on the poly which is already a faster surface than grass then you arent going to be helping anyone least of all the punters as most 1200m races on the poly are run in about 70 seconds so looking at the run ons for friday nights QUALIFIED MAIDEN OVER 1000M WHICH IS THE LOWEST CLASS OF HORSE THE LAST HORSE OVER THE LINE RAN IT IN 60 SECONDS AND IT FINISHED 11 LENGTHS BEHIND THE WINNER AND NOW YOU GIVING HORSES 70 SECONDS TO RUN IT IN SO all you be doing will be totally counter productive ..it will be a waste of money in its current form exactly the same as your futile attempt at introducing sectional timing which cost the operator a few million...YOU want to make the game more transparent for the punters then ask the likes of mr hawaai to help you it will cost you a lot less and you will get a lot more turnover

I just noticed that ALLDRESSEDUP won the 1000m trial in 62.05 sec - the slowest time in the history of this course - which says absolutely nothing at this point.....

Where do they store the info

results page race 10

So you need to go hunting through results ?

Barrier Trials are a total waste of time and money. And EVEN IF they are run to whatever conditions Pirates and Mr.H may prescribe will still be a waste of time and money, IMHO. This is nothing more than window dressing.....

Herewith my points -

1)FIRSTLY, even current exposed form has its percentages of being useless. If form was the be all and end all of Racing, we would all be very rich. Pirates and Mr.H would both be sitting on their paid up Island, much like Branson's Necker Island. (This is not said sarcastically, but rather as a compliment to them and as recognition of their excellence in form study and racing knowledge )
2)Every young horse has its individual level of musculoskeletal balance and mental development/temperament. Good Trainers can accurately assess the levels of each horse in their care. Some horses will come on immediately following a barrier trial and some will not. Because the Trainer has spent a lot of time with the individual, he will know the difference. However, back at home, a few days or a week after the Barrier Trial, the Trainer will be SURE of if or how much, the horse has come on from the Barrier Trial. But, how will the public know ?
3)If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.... so.... let me ask Pirates and Mr.H just two simple questions 're these Barrier Trials, irrespective of which principles and criteria are applied to said Barrier Trials -
a) How much had the horse done prior to undertaking the Barrier Trial ?
b) How has the horse come out of the Barrier Trial ?

Methinks that, because Barrier Trials, in whichever format these are staged, will produce more losers than winners, the next brainwave will be for Trainers to be expected to record for public view, every days work as well as a full explanation on why they have done this work and also their reports on every and anything they do, see or think about the horse. And when thats all done, we may as well buy a scalectrix set in the guise of horses or rather turn to virtual racing...

There is only ONE benefit of Barrier Trials to Racing - the opportunity for the Starter and the Stipes to 're assess and be sure that these horses are compliant in terms of Starting Stalls and behaviour under near race conditions.

The rest is just a lot of "nice" thoughts...and a pat on the back for apparently avoiding "insider Trading" and being "transparent". Time will tell....and so will results.....like the results of the exposed form of the raced horses...

Fully agree , only the sharks will find them handy

louis i can tell you its not that hard to know who gets their unraced horses ready to perform first time out and those who are considered soft on their horses and let them come to hand by racing them ...A combination of barrier trials done in the purest form whereby its treated as a proper race and jockeys have to have a full go without having 70 seconds to finish 1000m COMBINED with our lazy journalists going to track and getting the necessary information from the trainers and jockeys regarding all their runners will go along way to increasing punter confidence,,,it is no secret that unraced horses work with horses that have proven ability and if this is not covered in a pure barrier trial then that journalists job is to find out or even better film the gallop ..you will always have a small percentage of rogue trainers who will ways of misleading the public but there rogues in every industry..its simple if you want increased turnovers and therefore increased stakes then give the punters what they want and dont look for excuses ...Unfortunately the operators dont know what the punters want and therefore they will continue to have muck turnovers and the only form of survival is john stuarts overseas story but that will also level out soon ...the choice is yours you can have the mike de kock approach who is always willing to help and has nothing to hide or you can keep on finding excuses to hide behind ..and please dont say follow money because thats the quickest way to the poor house ....tomorow turfontein the first 2 legs of the bipot are 2 maiden juvenile races with both fields having all unraced runners so we must all poke in the dark ..its simple no bipot for me rather stay out....

(heres a hand,bank Nieuwenhuizen and then [strike][strike]Azzie[/strike][/strike] 2,6)