Jockey Or Thug?
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Re: Jockey Or Thug?
7 years 11 months ago
Just wondering... Had Al Sahem won, would it have been seen in the same light as this, or perhaps ride of the month?
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Re: Jockey Or Thug?
7 years 11 months ago
No problem with the ride. My real problem is I've just watched the replays and he goes into his gate with blood pouring out of his mouth.
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7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago
As per the NHRA website:
USE OF THE CROP
Rule 58.10.1 No RIDER shall misuse a crop or use a crop in an unnecessary or excessive manner or use a crop on any part of a HORSE’S head.
This rule covers any inappropriate use of the crop, or use that would be considered abuse of the horse.
GUIDELINES ON THE USE OF THE CROP
The following guidelines are published in order to advise all RIDERS of the proper manner in which the crop should be used.
The NATIONAL BOARD of the NATIONAL HORSERACING will not allow abuse of the HORSE and consider its welfare to be of utmost importance. The crop should be used for encouragement, guidance and correction. RIDERS are advised to regard the following as appropriate ways of using the crop but the list is not exhaustive:
1.
Showing the HORSE the crop and giving it time to respond before hitting it.
2.
Having used the crop, giving the HORSE an opportunity to respond.
3.
Keeping both hands on the reins when using the crop down the shoulder in the backhand position.
4.
Using the crop in rhythm with the HORSE’S stride and close to its side.
5.
Showing the crop to keep the HORSE running straight.
6.
Using the crop in the backhand position for a reminder.
The following are examples of crop use which may be regarded as unnecessary and/or excessive in terms of RULE 58.10.2:
a)
Hitting a HORSE to the extent of causing injury
b)
Hitting a HORSE with the crop arm above shoulder height.
c)
Hitting a HORSE more than three times on consecutive strides.
d)
Hitting a HORSE with excessive force.
e)
Hitting a HORSE without giving it time to respond.
f)
Hitting a HORSE which is showing no response.
9)
Hitting a HORSE which is out of contention for a place.
h)
Hitting a HORSE which is clearly winning.
i)
Hitting a HORSE which is past the winning post.
j)
Hitting a HORSE whilst the jockey is dismounted.
k)
Hitting a HORSE out of its stride pattern.
l)
Hitting a HORSE on the flank.
m)
Hitting a HORSE with excessive frequency.
n)
Hitting a HORSE on any part of its head.
When considering cases of excessive frequency the STIPENDIARY STEWARDS will consider factors such as:
– whether the number of hits was reasonable and necessary over the distance
– they were given, taking into account the HORSE’S experience;
– whether the HORSE was continuing to respond and
– the degree of force that was used, the more times a HORSE has been hit the stricter will be the view taken over the degree of force which is reasonable.
It must be noted that the use of the crop may be considered to be proper or improper in circumstances which have not been listed above.
Riders that have marked a horse (caused wheals on the hindquarter or flank) will be reprimanded and/or given a fine of R1000 or more, at the discretion of the veterinary surgeon and/or stipes.
PREGANT MARES
There is no rule governing the racing of pregnant mares, but the welfare guideline used is that a pregnant mare should not race past 120 days of gestation.
USE OF THE CROP
Rule 58.10.1 No RIDER shall misuse a crop or use a crop in an unnecessary or excessive manner or use a crop on any part of a HORSE’S head.
This rule covers any inappropriate use of the crop, or use that would be considered abuse of the horse.
GUIDELINES ON THE USE OF THE CROP
The following guidelines are published in order to advise all RIDERS of the proper manner in which the crop should be used.
The NATIONAL BOARD of the NATIONAL HORSERACING will not allow abuse of the HORSE and consider its welfare to be of utmost importance. The crop should be used for encouragement, guidance and correction. RIDERS are advised to regard the following as appropriate ways of using the crop but the list is not exhaustive:
1.
Showing the HORSE the crop and giving it time to respond before hitting it.
2.
Having used the crop, giving the HORSE an opportunity to respond.
3.
Keeping both hands on the reins when using the crop down the shoulder in the backhand position.
4.
Using the crop in rhythm with the HORSE’S stride and close to its side.
5.
Showing the crop to keep the HORSE running straight.
6.
Using the crop in the backhand position for a reminder.
The following are examples of crop use which may be regarded as unnecessary and/or excessive in terms of RULE 58.10.2:
a)
Hitting a HORSE to the extent of causing injury
b)
Hitting a HORSE with the crop arm above shoulder height.
c)
Hitting a HORSE more than three times on consecutive strides.
d)
Hitting a HORSE with excessive force.
e)
Hitting a HORSE without giving it time to respond.
f)
Hitting a HORSE which is showing no response.
9)
Hitting a HORSE which is out of contention for a place.
h)
Hitting a HORSE which is clearly winning.
i)
Hitting a HORSE which is past the winning post.
j)
Hitting a HORSE whilst the jockey is dismounted.
k)
Hitting a HORSE out of its stride pattern.
l)
Hitting a HORSE on the flank.
m)
Hitting a HORSE with excessive frequency.
n)
Hitting a HORSE on any part of its head.
When considering cases of excessive frequency the STIPENDIARY STEWARDS will consider factors such as:
– whether the number of hits was reasonable and necessary over the distance
– they were given, taking into account the HORSE’S experience;
– whether the HORSE was continuing to respond and
– the degree of force that was used, the more times a HORSE has been hit the stricter will be the view taken over the degree of force which is reasonable.
It must be noted that the use of the crop may be considered to be proper or improper in circumstances which have not been listed above.
Riders that have marked a horse (caused wheals on the hindquarter or flank) will be reprimanded and/or given a fine of R1000 or more, at the discretion of the veterinary surgeon and/or stipes.
PREGANT MARES
There is no rule governing the racing of pregnant mares, but the welfare guideline used is that a pregnant mare should not race past 120 days of gestation.
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Re: Jockey Or Thug?
7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago
Now watch the replay of the finish slow motion and it's clear that Fayd'herbe is flicking the horse on his flank.
Rules are rules,and whilst it may seem trivial relative to what some perceive Khumalo to be doing,must be there for a reason.
Rules are rules,and whilst it may seem trivial relative to what some perceive Khumalo to be doing,must be there for a reason.
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7 years 11 months ago
Watched the replay. Brutal ride and clearly some excessive use of the whip on Al Sahem in my opinion. Not just the frequency but the force. If he had been more concerned with his balance he would have done the horse more favours. The horse was clearly trying hard.
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7 years 11 months ago
Off topic, but when you watch video you have to think that track is barely wide enough for 10 runners, def not 18. If winner hesitated at all through gaps would not have won. Had to find gaps on the diagonal because track funnels runners. Looks extremely dangerous to me.
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On the Winning Ways program Paul Lafferty and James Goodman discussed the whips that jockeys use today compared to the whips of yesteryears. Apparently the whips we use today can be equated to a rolled up piece of newspaper. Lafferty said that somebody ( the name escapes me)hit him with the whip and he didn't feel it.
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7 years 11 months agoTero wrote: On the Winning Ways program Paul Lafferty and James Goodman discussed the whips that jockeys use today compared to the whips of yesteryears. Apparently the whips we use today can be equated to a rolled up piece of newspaper. Lafferty said that somebody ( the name escapes me)hit him with the whip and he didn't feel it.
Is it the same whips used in Hong Kong? As Morrera was fined for leaving marks with the whip on Pakistan Star when he came to a halt.
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7 years 11 months agoBrendanr wrote:Tero wrote: On the Winning Ways program Paul Lafferty and James Goodman discussed the whips that jockeys use today compared to the whips of yesteryears. Apparently the whips we use today can be equated to a rolled up piece of newspaper. Lafferty said that somebody ( the name escapes me)hit him with the whip and he didn't feel it.
Is it the same whips used in Hong Kong? As Morrera was fined for leaving marks with the whip on Pakistan Star when he came to a halt.
I'm not au fait with the whips they use in various countries.
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Re: Jockey Or Thug?
7 years 11 months ago
Answer: Over zealous jockey. Might get a fine if rules were broken, but certainly not a thug.
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Re: Jockey Or Thug?
7 years 11 months ago
We had a guest speaker at Rathmor today the spoke very emotional with regards the use of whips and says they should not be used on these magestic animals
Plus that horseracing is the only sport where the star of the show is punished to produce his best
Plus that horseracing is the only sport where the star of the show is punished to produce his best
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Re: Jockey Or Thug?
7 years 11 months ago
Watch the race I mean watch the whole race smanga rode to win the horse was slow away he pushed early to get a better position , let's not ignore the fact that this horse is a very difficult ride
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