One last thought, the last time I was at the course of these called " men of integrity " dropped his weights " accidentally " no one needs to enlighten the uninitiated, they can see for themselves !!
For me I don't do this for a living and enjoy a small punt, I go in with my eyes open and if that makes me a mug well so be it
steve you seem to miss my point maybe its a lack of sleep..its not what you or I want its WHAT the punters want and if its the well being of horses then give it to them etc etc ..yes punters might be lazy but without them we don't have a fcuking industry ..
why do we always have to try and reinvent the wheel ,cant we take the lead from the more successful racing countries and follow their lead or are we so stubborn...for fcuks sake betting turnover is what drives this industry it is what makes the wheel go round and without it the industry is a goner cant people see that....its a fcuking rush and flea markets you tell me is this increasing turnover I seriously doubt it..turnover turnover turnover ..bottom line bottom line bottom line...that is ALL THAT COUNTS ...im off to the beach cheers
pirates wrote: steve you seem to miss my point maybe its a lack of sleep..its not what you or I want its WHAT the punters want and if its the well being of horses then give it to them etc etc ..yes punters might be lazy but without them we don't have a fcuking industry ..
But what do punters want Hilton? Do they want every trainer in the ring to give his view? What does that view really mean unless it includes a reason WHY the horse will improve not just "working well" - What about the other 10 horses that are also "working well"? The reason we have a betting board is that the bookmakers have formed an opinion on the outcome of a race - It is then up to you to decide which opinion you follow - I cannot and will not accept the fact that Racing needs more talking from stables when practical steps like sectional timing should take precedence. And I'm wide awake for a Dinosaur :evil:
pirates wrote: why do we always have to try and reinvent the wheel ,cant we take the lead from the more successful racing countries and follow their lead or are we so stubborn...for fcuks sake betting turnover is what drives this industry it is what makes the wheel go round and without it the industry is a goner cant people see that....its a fcuking rush and flea markets you tell me is this increasing turnover I seriously doubt it..turnover turnover turnover ..bottom line bottom line bottom line...that is ALL THAT COUNTS ...im off to the beach cheers
Hilton I agree turnover is key and dissemination of scientific INFO drives that - We all know what happened when UK Racing was switched off and that turnover dropped.
ffs steve haven't you been reading this thread ..they have told you what they want for example Bayern Englander etc ..they not asking for tips they want to know the wellbeing ,,they don't know if a horse has had an interrupted prep they don't know if a horse hasn't been in work and will need a run and is looking at a feature in 2 weeks ..not everyone is clued up like you steve..
and just before I put my speedo on has any poster on here ever slated craig lg the shams or any owner who has posted about their horses chances and it hasn't run up to their expectations?iv never seen it happen...the majority of punters aren't that thick to realise that its a game of chance a gamble and horses get beat..
pirates wrote: ffs steve haven't you been reading this thread ..they have told you what they want for example Bayern Englander etc ..they not asking for tips they want to know the wellbeing ,,they don't know if a horse has had an interrupted prep they don't know if a horse hasn't been in work and will need a run and is looking at a feature in 2 weeks ..not everyone is clued up like you steve..
Hilton that should be the job of the NHRA - If a horse is rested then a reason for the rest should be published -If work has been missed at training tracks due to rain then that must be published - The NHRA rules are clear but not enforced regarding prep runs - A horse must go out trying and as you know we often hear "it's 80% fit and is prepping for the Gr ii in two weeks" The HNRA need to sanction when this happens for the good of Racing.
You cannot expect journalists to call every trainer on the card for every horse running, obviously there are cases where the Journo should be calling to find out about a horse that will be fancied that has been rested. I am not "clued up" Hilton but expressing my opinion which is the FOUNDATION of Betting.
pirates wrote: and just before I put my speedo on has any poster on here ever slated craig lg the shams or any owner who has posted about their horses chances and it hasn't run up to their expectations?iv never seen it happen...the majority of punters aren't that thick to realise that its a game of chance a gamble and horses get beat..
Actually they have and the posts were removed because some of the posters were bad losers and I might be mistaken but one or two of the trainers had to be begged to post again(I can't remember the names of the guys who posted when they lost but Bob will know)
mr hawaii wrote: It is amazing that years ago when there was almost NO info from stables Racing flourished(I was working for Racing Digest at that time and believe me Trainers and Jocks were NEVER as open as they are now) - Now when there is almost too much info Racing is Dying -
Soccer and Cricket have had way more RECORDED and proven incidents of Rigging yet Racing is now supposedly crook and untrustworthy because a Jockey just gets up on a first-timer that he said would run in the first three. Anybody who actually has owned a horse will tell you that the NOBODY on earth can with absolute certainty predict that a horse CAN'T lose(look at CARRY On ALICE yesterday if you want proof). I compare it to a EPL soccer coach who now starts his team with a new lineup. Is he expected to tell the world that he has worked on a new strategy because soccer bets are being laid? I have said it so many times before in a ten horse race there are often 11 horses that can win when you take Parade Ring talk into consideration. It almost seems like we now wish the connections to fill out our tickets for us. There was a PERFECT situation on this very Friday/Saturday where the great rumor mill sent out the double MAN FROM MILANxEVENTUAL ANGEL - Both horses were beaten and though on paper Man from Milan could not lose he DID. I can understand outrage if a stable enters a horse that is not well and they knowingly say the horse can't lose. Here Mr Brugman has had a bet (according to the Jockey) yet I surmise that if you were standing next to him with 200m to go he was sweating bullets as STEM IN THE BOS (owned by his principal and trained by another trainer) almost got up to beat him. The only way MJ could have mislead the public is if he actually said that he thought the horse would be green and would need the run when he knew differently - He did not - He gave info which pointed to the horse being a major contender and the record shows that though the horse won there was LESS than 1.5 lengths between first and 4th - Definitely not the way you want to see an even money horse win don't you think?
STEM IN DIE BOS:
Race 2 - I brought him back to the 1000m because Pierre Strydom was available. It seemed like an interesting experiment and the right thing to do. I think he will run a really big race.
It is amazing that years ago when there was almost NO info from stables Racing flourished(I was working for Racing Digest at that time and believe me Trainers and Jocks were NEVER as open as they are now) - Now when there is almost too much info Racing is Dying -
in those days everyone went to the course and info flowed like a raging river, CARRY On ALICE was never the right horse in that race , the winner was a Cert, people can predict race out comes with high accuracy, you would remember the Racing Digest issue no 17, its there in writing, Jeff Zerbst wrote to the effect after interviewing me that I had predicted the previous July winner Royal Chalice three months before on TV and in the same interview i predicted that years Gold cup winner Castle Walk which was almost four months away, he now asks me in May of that year who would win this years July and as he wrote afterward that I had replied unhesitatingly Right Prerogative who was 50/1 at the time, results can be predicted and much money is there to be made, ask any bookmaker in the mid nineties how much I let them off with after the horses had won, all these guys are pointing out is there dissatisfaction with an incident, I say listen to the customer, see what bugs him and let the NHRA give us all an outcome and fix if have to or correct if have to, but don't discard and make light of transparency which is the future of this game, the old days are gone
