Weinsteens attitude towards RA Members>:D

Ok, so we agree to dissagree on that one. You carry on criticising them, so obviously you have drawn the line and dont want them as customers. So, why not let it be and move on? Why waste your time criticising those who you dont want on board ? Time is money.......

Boys what Ive learned over the years this game is about taking what you can when you can, there is no thought of tomorrow. You gotta face up to it and stay in or when you had enough get out. Its all about now, how much can I get now..its probably a symptom of what the industry is based upon..gambling, all or nothing.

Louis

Bear with me....

In the movie " world war z" there is a obviously made up saying but its quite good. Its the 10th man belief


When 10 men meet to discuss anything and vote , if 9 agree the 10th MUST disagree, this prompts lateral thinking and research from a perspective of disagreement.

Disagreeing and challenging corporates like GSK or Ford creates better products or conditions of work.

Challenging phumelela or nha brings banning's and expulsions

Mister A should be able to criticise something that is wrong.

Well said Oscar...

Too many with short term goals...

louieg i know what we agree on but i dont know what we are disagreeing on,,, ITS BEEN 10 YEARS ,,, A DECADE,,,, ive not criticised them for 10 years and now when i do make a bit of a noise you advise me to stop instead of asking then to explain their actions,,, come on Louie,,,,, anyway now i dont need them, Formgrids has been up and running for 10 long years without their help,, as ive said GC has come to the party,,,, but its their failure to recognise and help a project that is clearly doing good for SA RACING that should worry YOU LOUIE and other people who love racing and wanna see the game progress ,,, ive survived ,,,,sa racing is the poorer for having people with the take it or leave it ''im GOD'' attitude in positions that influence the development of racing,,

louisg Wrote:

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> 1) why should RA advertise on your site? Dont
> they have the right to choose their own direction,
> strategy or methods of advertising? Thats THEIR
> decision to make.

louieg for the sake of discussion and i dont expect a reply coz i understand that you are busy ,, the RA must be guided by their mission statement and do what benifits the game,,, if for instance if some one else headed the RA lets say for interest sake Joe Soma was in charge of the RA would see things in a different light regarding form and i think he would have assisted in helping with the "development" ,,, not profit making ,,,,,of Formgrids a tool also used by funders of the game to make informed decisions in punting, so who would be right ?,,, whoever for not assisting or Joe for helping to develop a tool that you describe as an invaluable tool for racing ?

louisg Wrote:

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> 2) ABC stands for African BETTING Clan, so I
> cannot understand why you deny that fact.
> 3) Irrespective, though, of what ABC stands for or
> whether you choose to ignore the betting aspect in
> favour of your preferred "blog" terminology, the
> fact remains that any group can and may be
> evaluated in terms of its impact on
> turnover.......and yes, the Vee Moodleys of this
> World do look at things like that, which is why he
> is so good at what he does.

these are questions i have that you could forward to the RA to answer if you dont have the time,,,what does the name Racing Association stand for ?,, should it not be changed to Owners Association ? or should the RA be handed over to another group to run and the current group handle an owners association ?

louisg Wrote:

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> 3) whether Owners, Trainers, Punters, Jocks,
> Breeders, Agents or Grooms frequent your site, it
> doesnt matter. Charge for it and dont let anyone
> stand in your way!


should the Racing Association do what its name stands for and deal with racing issues and help DEVELOP a tool/site that helps punters and boosts turnovers which in turn funds the RA and racing ? should the RA follow its own mission statement ?,,,, do the RA recieve money derived from betting pools ?

Frodo [ PM ]
Re: Weinsteens attitude towards RA Membersthe finger smiley
January 14, 2014 11:03AM Registered: 6 years ago
Posts: 6,659
If 'they' (RA, Racing Trust, P, NHA) would just for once and all explain to us plebs how the whole thing works, there would be much less reason for confusion; so the RA gets a % (how much) of the Noms and Acceptance Fees; as I understand they also get funded (via the Racing Trust and how much) by the operators (money from the tote) in order to provide stakes? Currently I don't think many of us understand how it works - and this leads to speculation and confusion, etc etc

could you please obtain an answer from whoever for Frodo and the rest of us ,,,

louisg Wrote:

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> ROB
> You have NEVER been to an Industry Liaison
> Committe meeting. I have attended many. So, you
> will have to take my word on this - they will get
> DRILLED on this issue and Larry will DEMAND
> answers, as he does on many issues. He is
> extremely hard headed when Phumelela drop the
> baton and I know of NOBODY who pushes harder for
> Punters rights, treatment and issues. Larry is one
> of the most seasoned and dedicated horseracing
> punters that I have ever met. And I have been in
> Racing a year or two. Again, you make a statement
> without a clue of what Larry/RA actually do !


why is Larry fighting for punters rights if we are not paid up members of the RA ? ,,,, who is Larry fighting with that are denying punters rights ? you say Phumelela drop the baton ? how can we get to know about what things Larry has done for punters

louisg Wrote:

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> 4) surely your persistent criticism of racing
> bodies and people isnt winning you too many
> friends...... or advertisers....?

louie i dont think i am criticising, im just asking for answers as to why a tool like Formgrids is not seen as a positive development forvSA racing and given assistance or development funding from pools that are generated from betting ???? i have many many friends in the game and yes most of them are funders of racing and i think 10 years of providing Formgrids to funders without support from racing bodies gives me the right to ask for some answers,,

david i punt for many year. i see regime come and go. i see the politics between racing clubs and individuals. the more thing change the more they stay the same. one thing that is constant is the people who rock the boat are smear with the tar brush. this is never forgotten. you rock the boat on a few occasion. i no say you are right or wrong i give the statement is all. the point i make is while you are see to be form grids you have no chance of ever geting assistance from the powers that be. is that simple

ha ha harry so true,and the prob with abc we have 1000`s of members to be remembered <

you are so right hibs, anyone who has any thing to say other than sing the praises of the operators is a trouble maker, problem is controlled racing press except for one or two who dont last long and a controlled TT ,,, Flash Harry you are right, as usual, funny thing is i no longer need their assistance, have made it to here and it is no shame on me, shame is on them, yes i did rock their luxury boat by forming the South Africa Racegoers Association and fighting for punters rights, by the way other punters are still having the same fights 30 years later, shame on the operator, also protested and stopped a race meeting after a winner gets placed last instead of being declared a non runner ,,, shame on the operators who let you bet on a horse that you can never collect on,,,yes i did punt heavy, turnover more than the entire tote some days, but i never done it with any info, purely on form, punted some horses where owner, trainer, jock never knew, so thats where the speculation came from that im up to no good, no one could believe its all on form, but form never lies ,, good for turnover i say coz lots spilt over to the tote,, stories of guns etc are all b**T ,, i wasnt an angel but in a game full of scheemers from the operators down how can they cry foul

Yes Mr A

The jock was Willie Uys

And for a bit trivia what was the name of the horse?
I am sure many will remember

FG is the clue

Don't want to jump the Gun