Is the Tote being manipulated ?

I recall Andre having some good input recently on how the Tote could be manipulated but this would require access and knowledge to do so which I believe is in short supply.

Yesterday I happened to be at Turffontein, unplanned, for the first 3 races and sat opposite the big tote board. Not betting myself ( I was there to watch Rolling Clouds in the first race ) I was intrigued by the odds for a place in the first race. The odds on favourite shortly before the start war paying 70 cents a place, which then "drifted" to 80 cents and then just before the off went to R 1,10 with insufficient time to place a bet on this. At the same time the next 2 in the betting shortened dramatically for a place to something below the equivalent on the books. In fact the 3rd horse shortened further as the horses entered the final furlong !.

The same process was repeated in the second and third races, leading me to believe that large bets continue to be cancelled just before the start in order to improve the dividend on a short favourite. This affects the odds on the other fancied horses. It is also intriguing that in all 3 races the tote board was still moving well after the start of the race.

Just my own personal observations. I think someone needs to have a look at this.

As sure as the sun rises and sets the tote is being manipulated. Used to be the old trick 2 place bets on a fav

ticket 1 R20 000 place#
ticket 2 R1000 place

Cancel ticket 1

Now i think the scam is being done by "inhouse" brains

I know that TAB agencies were able to manipulate ....the computers used to stay open a few seconds into the race to allow for adjustments of errors and/or ommissions.
It is probably still that way!

Could be over betting into weak pools?

the P3 payout for the 1st race at tuffies yesterday got me a bit puzzled!

The 1st duoble pays R50-odd, so does the second race double.

Yet, the P3 payout was a measly R150-odd!

AND The 2nd race winner pays R70+ for a tote win!

Is there a rat?

Inside job..the DBA or the programmers...

This is my Business..IT security...

nevermind what they say....

FACT..inside job by the staff...
ASK THE TOTE OF A COPY OF THE DATABASE LOG from the jump of the race till they give the all clear..and I will prove that they are manipulating the tote..

WHERE ARE THE AUDITORS...at home..clueless...must be...my nice is the head girl there...pretty but clueless....

KING 3..

the CEO/CFE/CIO will be in jail soon...
They are responsible...

remember these 2 words/phrases....

non-repudiation..
segregation of duties..

soon as the bill is passed, I will open case at the FSB..
their auditors are also going to get fired...


the same as the lotto operators...


they refuse to count the balls in the holder after the draw has taken place..
we will see..King 3..FSB..government...who else are involved..scam...

Guys,,
its white collar crime..
we cannot let it be..
prominent racehorse owners went to jail for white collar crime..

or did white collar crime apply only in a white government...

bring the DATABASE LOGTAPES...

LET's PUT THE LOT AWAY.....

the are stealing our money...


its like bobby & pals..
sitting in parlement...
arguing SALARY INCREASES

the LAW STATES..for every day leave an employee has, the money must be in cash in the bank..not O/D facility..cash in the bank...


both ESCOM and SABC are in the red..
are there no employees with leave due....

why dont they book them..jail..straight to jail..or does the law not apply..

agree with Gajima, needs to be looked into, hopefully someone reading this thread can get the ball rolling or even better an explanation if it is nothing untoward and something that can be easily explained?

do you guys not show how much is bet in total on each pool each one minute the tote changes?

by keeping tabs of this you can easily tell what is going in and what might be coming out.

I have noticed that all of the serious money is bet right near post time. This is magnified by the pathetically low turn over rate in your country. You people wager a miniscule amount compared with other venues, so when real money comes late is really impacts the odds.

The reality..

the tote changes when they jump...
when they have run 200/300 meters....it changes again..
and when the horses enter the straight the tote changes again...

see Gajima wrote

....In fact the 3rd horse shortened further as the horses entered the final furlong !.


have seen it on PE racedays too..
can only be someone on the inside..

LET THEM MAKE A COPY OF THE LOG TAPES AVAILABLE..they have at least 7 days tapes..

ALL THE TRANSACTIONS AFTER THE JUMP...JAIL FOR THESE GUYS....

THEN WE PRINT the contents and make it public to all...


then even the toothless FSB (I agree, have had the same experience) will have to act..we will use the newspapers as our court room...the public be the judge...

You have a right to request this info through the Promotion of Access to Information Act. The procedure and application can be found found here on the Phumelela website. www.phumelela.com/AboutUs/AccesstoInform...abid/79/Default.aspx

Perhaps you could take this up for us punters Andrewest. I am quite interested to see the outcome of this.

will do it monday..
want to see the reaction...
this is going to be funny...