You Be the Judge

I watched the show with interest last nite.

What is so evident is that there are 2 groups of people in the game:

1. Those that put nett cash into the sport (punters and owners) and

2. Those that take nett cash out of the game (administrators to vets)

Personally I think the guys taking nett cash outa the game ie those making a living from the sport should be listening a little more intently to those putting money into the game.

oscar

you are awarded a Privilege to race horses, its not a right.

Mad Mike..are we also awarded a "privilege" to punt on horses or is that our constitutional right?

an interesting topic but what a shit show..far too many guests ,have 1 vet one trainer one owner not 6 of each..for half the show they all patted each other on the back for the research done.

Pirates 100% correct - I note studio guests also handpicked - where was Charles Faull and an Oscar or Scotia to represent the common people?

I think the debate was fair enough and I was pleased that the Nha vet brought up the fact that 6 horses had fatigued after running - this to me is a worrying factor as a collapsed horse in a race could be catastrophic. What do you guys think would you race your horse on lasix?

mr hawaii it seems that you have been blessed by never going through the trauma of owning a bleeder otherwise that question would never have been asked.

picture the scene, you pay good money for a well bred horse. confirmation is perfect and your trainer cannot fault it. the problem is you cannot see the inside and the problem. very soon after putting horse in fast work it bleeds. what do you do? give up or assist it with lasix? of course you assist, hundreds of thousands have been spent and the breeder has run away with your money.

if it bleeds in a race you get 3 months, second time 6 months, then indefinite suspension. there should be a section in the catalogue highlighting bleeding offspring. in my opinion the breeders knowingly breed with well performed and/or well bred mares regardless of bleeding offspring. in my horses case both the other two offspring bled, but we bought before they ran. the breeder sold the fourth one for 300000 at the nationals. he knows the problem. what would you call that? i call it fraud

as a answer to your question of course i say legalise lasix, for the horse, for the owner. robin bruss se gat, the American studbook has lived with lasix so should we

Definitely yes for me Mr H..so much money is spent by owners on homeopathic and natural stuff to try prevent horses from bleeding.

Furosemide (Lasix the brand name for the original although there are many inexpensive generics on the market) is a well proven drug used for humans regularly in ops especially cardiac ops..and is safe if used correctly.

If used under the guidence of the NHRA it would save owners money and avoid racehorse bleeders from suffering through the symptoms of a bleed during the race.

you right robin bruss se gat mad mike,these horses that bleed are getting lasix when they do their pace work anyway plus we all know plenty other medicines are being put into their system..it is the biggest lameness in the racing industry and action needs to be taken now not later.

I personally think we over medicate on many levels - But I understand your point that's why the debate was good - I'm not sure which way the pendulum will swing but this is a very difficult call and I'm not sure honestly what I would do if I had a bleeder and lasix was legal

mr hawaii i dont know how many horses you own or have owned but if its more than 5 then you have had a bleeder and your trainer has not told you .

mr hawaii this is something you should consider - racehorses were bred to race. it is a GENETIC defect that results in the lung damage and bleeding. 1 of 2 things need to happen, either lasix be legalised as it is NOT a performance enhancer and ASSISTS your animal or mares that produce bleeding offspring be eliminated from further breeding activities to "protect" the breed from further problems.

you state that you dont now what you would do with a horse that bleeds if lasix is legal. i ask the question why should it be a moral dilemma? you dont cheat, even rob de kock acknowleges that this is not a performance enhancer.

pirates make a good point. many horses are trained on lasix already. many times i am in the ring and the last horse is circling we all waiting for him to piss so we can work him with the lasix.

wake up