Greyville Polytrack...Is it the same track that was laid 10 or so years ago?
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Greyville Polytrack...Is it the same track that was laid 10 or so years ago?
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As a matter of interest...what are the views of the Greyville Polytrack. Is it the same track that was laid 10 or so years ago? I feel that there is more kickback and it is has more sand in it's composition, if I see what some of the horses and riders look like post race. Am I biased, getting old...does anyone have any evidence to say that what is being raced on today...is what was promised all those years ago?
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Re: Greyville Polytrack...Is it the same track that was laid 10 or so years ago?
9 months 3 weeks ago
I'm sure with the heat in Durban, the poly there would be specially treated
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Re: Greyville Polytrack...Is it the same track that was laid 10 or so years ago?
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These synthetic tracks can be very tricky and one needs to be super observant of the prevailing conditions.....but seriously it depends on the traffic and the natural elements and how and when track maintenance has taken place..... the track can behave particularly well because of adequate rainfall and the substrates being almost "new".....the real test of this surface come in drier, hotter periods not as familiar to the global teams that lay these surfaces.... .as over time the polymers/plastic degrade because they have very little or no UV resistance.... these are degrading before they are even mixed into the substrate....and as the traffic increases the physical breakdown due to the shearing/grinding of the silca/sand and the polymer composites is accelerated.....and then we come to the periods of very dry windy weather..... where winds blow extremely warm dry as high as 35deg....this will cause the wax to melt and drag(gravitate) the now broken down fines (silica and degraded plastics) below the upper surface and compact.....the track will become faster and less "springy".....they will be then forced to harrow and water more frequently and the mixture of fines and wax will clump on the surface after harrowing....I predict that the clumps even though broken down through harrowing will be sticky and briefly attach to hoof inner surface and get flung in a compact kick back.....in these periods it would be better to start extensive maintainence mixing in new polymer and silica and sifting out the fines.....but predicting on how the track will behave is largely a hit and miss affair ..... a total lottery
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Re: Greyville Polytrack...Is it the same track that was laid 10 or so years ago?
9 months 3 weeks ago
is the track running slower or quicker - any discernable changes in times ? another question is the poly generally quicker than the turf at greyville ?
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Re: Greyville Polytrack...Is it the same track that was laid 10 or so years ago?
9 months 3 weeks agoThese synthetic tracks can be very tricky and one needs to be super observant of the prevailing conditions.....but seriously it depends on the traffic and the natural elements and how and when track maintenance has taken place..... the track can behave particularly well because of adequate rainfall and the substrates being almost "new".....the real test of this surface come in drier, hotter periods not as familiar to the global teams that lay these surfaces.... .as over time the polymers/plastic degrade because they have very little or no UV resistance.... these are degrading before they are even mixed into the substrate....and as the traffic increases the physical breakdown due to the shearing/grinding of the silca/sand and the polymer composites is accelerated.....and then we come to the periods of very dry windy weather..... where winds blow extremely warm dry as high as 35deg....this will cause the wax to melt and drag(gravitate) the now broken down fines (silica and degraded plastics) below the upper surface and compact.....the track will become faster and less "springy".....they will be then forced to harrow and water more frequently and the mixture of fines and wax will clump on the surface after harrowing....I predict that the clumps even though broken down through harrowing will be sticky and briefly attach to hoof inner surface and get flung in a compact kick back.....in these periods it would be better to start extensive maintainence mixing in new polymer and silica and sifting out the fines.....but predicting on how the track will behave is largely a hit and miss affair ..... a total lottery
Thanks for the in depth reply, Muhtiman...you have given a fine explanation. We have had very dry weather for some time now and that will certainly contribute to the decomposition of the track material.
Part of the reason for my question, was made in an interview with Sean Veale at Fairview where he stated that the Greyville track has a lot more kickback and quite a few horses that run on from behind cannot make up the ground, as easily as on the Fairview Polytrack. So something to bear in mind...
We also don't see the Anton Marcus tactic of running to the outside rail when turning for home, much anymore...some jocks are just that little better at gaining those small tactical advantages when the chips are down.
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Re: Greyville Polytrack...Is it the same track that was laid 10 or so years ago?
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......just rehashed and tweaked what I have posted here over the years....and although poly racing is a lottery it is today far better than the current highveldt dust bowl events ....so may take a wee interest today after sussing out the 1st few races.....the Azzie yard raiding has attracted the attention of bookies that have cautiously priced up some but although they have no poly form ....do work on the Rantjies poly surface....
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Re: Greyville Polytrack...Is it the same track that was laid 10 or so years ago?
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.....the track appears extremely dry and dusty....and devoid of any wax....basically a "dirt" track...which may be OK for present dry windy conditions.....but should it get wet before the dust or fines are removed then they will have major problems.....as adding wax and polymer to mud is a major waste of time and money...
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Re: Greyville Polytrack...Is it the same track that was laid 10 or so years ago?
9 months 3 weeks ago......just rehashed and tweaked what I have posted here over the years....and although poly racing is a lottery it is today far better than the current highveldt dust bowl events ....so may take a wee interest today after sussing out the 1st few races.....the Azzie yard raiding has attracted the attention of bookies that have cautiously priced up some but although they have no poly form ....do work on the Rantjies poly surface....
Pretty much sums up what I feel...but as a racehorse owner, not as a punter...may it not pay to take them to Fairview...
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Re: Greyville Polytrack...Is it the same track that was laid 10 or so years ago?
9 months 3 weeks ago.....the track appears extremely dry and dusty....and devoid of any wax....basically a "dirt" track...which may be OK for present dry windy conditions.....but should it get wet before the dust or fines are removed then they will have major problems.....as adding wax and polymer to mud is a major waste of time and money...
Yes, my concern is that it only benefits a certain tactic/running style and does not help horses that are slow out of the pens, or slow to settle...
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Re: Greyville Polytrack...Is it the same track that was laid 10 or so years ago?
9 months 3 weeks ago.....the track appears extremely dry and dusty....and devoid of any wax....basically a "dirt" track...which may be OK for present dry windy conditions.....but should it get wet before the dust or fines are removed then they will have major problems.....as adding wax and polymer to mud is a major waste of time and money...
Yes, my concern is that it only benefits a certain tactic/running style and does not help horses that are slow out of the pens, or slow to settle...
Basically it goes back to the need for a variety of tracks...it's not that all horses are donkeys...but if a horse is a stayer...a sprint track is the last thing that it needs
Horses for courses
or as it currently is IMO
Courses for horses
If I could equate it to playing spin on the sub-continent...
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Re: Greyville Polytrack...Is it the same track that was laid 10 or so years ago?
6 months 4 weeks ago.....the track appears extremely dry and dusty....and devoid of any wax....basically a "dirt" track...which may be OK for present dry windy conditions.....but should it get wet before the dust or fines are removed then they will have major problems.....as adding wax and polymer to mud is a major waste of time and money...
Yes, my concern is that it only benefits a certain tactic/running style and does not help horses that are slow out of the pens, or slow to settle... www.sportingpost.co.za/positive-puller-s...rather-than-scratch/
One man who didn’t mince his disfavour with the Hollywoodbets Greyville polytrack, was Craig Zackey
I'm glad that someone has said something about it.
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Re: Greyville Polytrack...Is it the same track that was laid 10 or so years ago?
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“This track is horrendous. It’s really just sand. It gets up the horse’s nasal passages. Have a look at Fairview – horses can win from anywhere,” added Zackey in a vocal post-race interview.To be fair, the Fairview surface was reconditioned fairly recently, and with Gold Circle in a phase of change, let’s hope that Zackey’s, and any other stakeholder’s concerns, are addressed.Didn’t Mark Twain say it was a difference of opinion that made horse racing?
......just another opinion and just like arse holes...... everyone has one.....doubt if GC have a contingency in their current racing programme to do an extensive refurbishment/reconditioning in order to sift out all the fines before mixing in fresh polymer and wax....
......just another opinion and just like arse holes...... everyone has one.....doubt if GC have a contingency in their current racing programme to do an extensive refurbishment/reconditioning in order to sift out all the fines before mixing in fresh polymer and wax....
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