Turffontein chaos

  • Craig Eudey
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Re: Turffontein chaos

6 years 1 month ago
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James, it must also be said that some of the grooms can hardly read,write or speak the language of their employer,so although in many cases it is not their fault we have to understand this. The money they get is just for food and spending money as everything else is paid for.They would never get a job in most other businesses. As you know the grooms had the school at Summerveld and it closed down due to lack of support from the grooms to better themselves. 90% of the grooms are happy at Summerveld but the intimidation by the union and their representatives is enormous. Their main enforcer ran away a few months ago after raping an 18yr girl on the way to work near the clubhouse but there is still a huge amount of intimidation from the others.
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Sad sad sad

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We are moving towards a political discussion .... dangerous ground - but I think at the crux of is what is perceived to be a 'fair wage' ...... unfortunately SA is a world apart from the UK ito 'wages' - imo you should be careful when trying to compare ..... as per Ziets' example ....

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So some people think that certain comments are Stupid. You really need facts before accusing others of stupid comments. Trust me there are many earning less than that per week. Does that make this right? No certainly not. I'm sure James knows enough to pass comments and just wait until you get Louis going. So I'm wondering what prompts you to describe other people's posts as stupid.

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No groom should be paid below the government required wage and as James pointed out they get plenty extras. There are millions in other sectors of our economy that get just that and nothing else.

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Re: Re:Turffontein chaos

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Guys you miss the point

These guys are paid as unskilled labour doing what should be a highly skilled job

And ps let’s not get started on the trainers that don’t pay the going rate

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Craig Eudey wrote: No groom should be paid below the government required wage and as James pointed out they get plenty extras. There are millions in other sectors of our economy that get just that and nothing else.

no wonder crime is rife in SA, people have to steal to supplement their income, disgraceful.
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And the trainers who dont pay sales companies and also farriers ..so much hypocrisy its a joke

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Actually Bob no grooms worldwide are skilled labour. They like horses or the enviroment.

Look at the Mexicans that most yards in USA employ.

My 1st job in a racing yard was as a groom and i certainly was not skilled. I was 19yrs and a school leaver and was give accomodation and food , thats all !! No wages!

Grooms learn the job from the bottom and those with aptitude end up with at least Assistant trainers licences. Thabiso Naiko started with me as a school leaver knowing not the 1st thing about grooming.1994.
He has done the Darley and Summerhill courses and is now assistant trainer to Sean Tarry.

I AM qualified to speak on this subject. Certainly more than most of the posters. I have raced around the world, and seen grooms in most racing jurisdictions and i assure you all the grooms in SA are properly treated and paid.

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chicken n chips wrote:
Craig Eudey wrote: No groom should be paid below the government required wage and as James pointed out they get plenty extras. There ar8e millions in other sectors of our economy that get just that and nothing else.

no wonder crime is rife in SA, people have to steal to supplement their income, disgraceful.

I worked for minimum wage and never resorted to crime , have some pride and get a second job if necessary , crime is the easy way out
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the good wrote: Actually Bob no grooms worldwide are skilled labour. They like horses or the enviroment.

Look at the Mexicans that most yards in USA employ.

My 1st job in a racing yard was as a groom and i certainly was not skilled. I was 19yrs and a school leaver and was give accomodation and food , thats all !! No wages!

Grooms learn the job from the bottom and those with aptitude end up with at least Assistant trainers licences. Thabiso Naiko started with me as a school leaver knowing not the 1st thing about grooming.1994.
He has done the Darley and Summerhill courses and is now assistant trainer to Sean Tarry.

I AM qualified to speak on this subject. Certainly more than most of the posters. I have raced around the world, and seen grooms in most racing jurisdictions and i assure you all the grooms in SA are properly treated and paid.

you are still living in the 1970s

Salaries vary but, as a guide, the average salary for a junior or assistant groom is around £10,000 per annum and the average salary for a head groom is in the region of £16,000 per annum. Employers may offer accommodation, livery for own horse, riding lessons, etc as part payment.

The working hours were from 4 to 9 am and then from 2 to 5 pm. These are the same for all stables in Australia

You only get paid the minimum wage (22.83 AUD per hour), but double the wage on Sundays and public holidays.
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Re: Re:Turffontein chaos

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Craig Pienaar wrote:
chicken n chips wrote:
Craig Eudey wrote: No groom should be paid below the government required wage and as James pointed out they get plenty extras. There ar8e millions in other sectors of our economy that get just that and nothing else.

no wonder crime is rife in SA, people have to steal to supplement their income, disgraceful.

I worked for minimum wage and never resorted to crime , have some pride and get a second job if necessary , crime is the easy way out

Get a second job in SA, i believe its hard enough getting a part time job. Yes you got paid min wage when you were young and still lived with your parents who had proper jobs. These guys have families to feed. My biggest pet hate is injustice.
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