Barrier Trials - Yea or Nay?

Same here Mac

Also would be great if the stipes disqualify horses that don’t raise a gallop in the trials

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I doubt barrier trials in Hong Kong are conducted the same way as they are here..

In my opinion, they should have barrier trials every Monday morning, 5 trails every 20 min starting at 7am. Record them, get a panel like Lenferna and Shea with one or 2 more people, get Thistleton to interview and do a write up, and post a replay package every night at 7pm followed by a Tuesday Newspaper write up. Keep it every day same time etc and that way us creatures of habit become used to it and will accept it. Make a bit of a hoo ha out of it and make it informative. I don’t think it takes that much effort to get this right! There is a place for it but c’mon, get with the times people running racing! The package is becoming so boring.. let’s get positive and catch up. My teenager son commented on the lack of HD camera’s.. the current Tellytrack footage is so far behind the times. Become more interactive and get people attention.

Back to the subject line - NAY, NAY, NAY


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IMHO the reason for barrier trials seems to have different views for different sections of racing. I believe that 1) They are not races. It is just a gallop to show the public who can't make or watch gallops at the training establishments the horses before they run.2) How can you expect the trainer to tell the jockey to ride the horse like it is a race when there is nothing to gain and only more chance of something going wrong with the horse. Gallops at home are very very seldom ever ridden right out like a race. Winx has only won 2/24 or so barrier trials. That tells you something. 3) Because most horses are not ridden out completely, BT's are harder to read but if you watch them a couple of times you can get something out of them.

Craig Eudey wrote: IMHO the reason for barrier trials seems to have different views for different sections of racing. I believe that 1) They are not races. It is just a gallop to show the public who can't make or watch gallops at the training establishments the horses before they run.2) How can you expect the trainer to tell the jockey to ride the horse like it is a race when there is nothing to gain and only more chance of something going wrong with the horse. Gallops at home are very very seldom ever ridden right out like a race. Winx has only won 2/24 or so barrier trials. That tells you something. 3) Because most horses are not ridden out completely, BT's are harder to read but if you watch them a couple of times you can get something out of them.

HENCE..... you need what I said.....

I doubt barrier trials in Hong Kong are conducted the same way as they are here..

In my opinion, they should have barrier trials every Monday morning, 5 trails every 20 min starting at 7am. Record them, get a panel like Lenferna and Shea with one or 2 more people, get Thistleton to interview and do a write up, and post a replay package every night at 7pm followed by a Tuesday Newspaper write up. Keep it every day same time etc and that way us creatures of habit become used to it and will accept it. Make a bit of a hoo ha out of it and make it informative. I don’t think it takes that much effort to get this right! There is a place for it but c’mon, get with the times people running racing! The package is becoming so boring.. let’s get positive and catch up. My teenager son commented on the lack of HD camera’s.. the current Tellytrack footage is so far behind the times. Become more interactive and get people attention.

....... you need experts advising punters, talking through replays, some interviews from people quickfire on the spot 5 seconds asking their opinions and plans etc as they do overseas.

Winx may have won 2/24 barrier trials but they always got great feedback after... the current situation is not great and the punters are crying out. The people in charge need to for once listen and then there is a place for it and it may even attract more people. It also has no place on race day.. there is too much going on. Separate it and make a thing of it and get feedback for the punters. Not everyone is bright enough to figure it out themselves when 99% aren’t trying. Help the punter!!!

I’ve been racing in AUS many times, these trials are separate to race meeting and they get great feedback to the punters.

Sharky, I just googled Hong Kong trials and they seem to have exactly what we have and name numerous examples of inconsistencies in trials and races. Interesting reading though.

No one is arguing the inconsistency of the trials as they are effectively gallops as you say... what we are saying is, as Hong Kong does, make them more punter friendly! I’m not going to repeat the above as I’ve said, or alternatively leave things as are and let racing continue to fade away as it is and more trainers will join the early retired as owners become less and punters spend money elsewhere.

My comments are a positive way forward to make it work for the trainer, the operator and the punter.

As you can see, most for now say nay nay nay get rid of it. I’m trying to find a way to cater for everyone as it currently doesn’t and I can see a benefit of a trial if it’s made a little more palatable so to speak!

Sharky, as an owner, I dont want my horses to take part in a barrier trial. What choice do I have ? There is a chance my horse gets hurt, for what ? So most horses get a "breeze up" as per LG (spot on) Who benefits from a run like this ? The punter ? Absolute waste of time and money. First timers, as a punter, watch the money, you get far more info than from a barrier trial. Thats if you are mad enough to punt 1st timers.

......once bitten....forever shy......I labeled a horse on what I thought was a fair trial run......really thought it was going on to be something special.....now a handful of runs and still a maiden.....because there was hardly a trier in the barrier trial.....none have shown a thing on a track.....playing games in trials is akin to jocks pulling horses at work.....and sticking owners and trainers away.....:sick:

Super innovation and i hope they continue with it as it helps the punter which is good for turnover .

I was at the Trainers Association AGM and the whole concept was sold to trainers(in many many stables trainers are their own biggest owners) to try and help the punter and to show transparency in racing which is a major complaint with punters.