Objection Ruling.

Actions speak a whole lot louder than words. It is now 3 days after the incident and nothing has been forthcoming from the Jockey Club.

I'm going to disagree with the crowd in some respects to the objection.
All I read made it seem that it was utterly wrong and even conspiracy theories abound.

Looking at the race I can absolutely see why there was grounds for the objection.
I'm not saying the right decision is made (I think the Jock was optimistic trying to force a gap that was barely there) but there is definitely room to have the opinion that QV shifting in cost the race. All the uproar that it was inconceivable that an objection was upheld is just not factual and takes away from the real problem as I see it

ie:
The bumbling, arrogant stipe was an embarrassment, and a key statement was that it was a split decision. Unless it was obvious to all responsible reviewers that the incident cost the race you just cant take the race away from QV.

drdom that makes it 3 of you versus 40 000 and counting, did you go on the "How to (miss) read races" course at the NHA,,,, no seriously i have exhausted myself trying as hard as i can to see any interference, i even turned the TV upside down l but that didnt help either,

Dr Dom

We can't start throwing horses out for crossing over to the rail when they are 3L clear, that's called race riding

Watch the headons of nearly every race, you will hardly find a race when a horse in the places is crossed by the winner at some point

It's ok David I checked email address s.wonder@tamlamowtown.com

My problem is the complete lack of understanding of the punter... Punters need instant gratification which is obvious if you look at betting...knowing this I would think the operator/NHRA would have called the 4 stipes in on Monday and either stuck by the ruling or reversed it... Why wait for days...? The notion that inquiries need months and years to complete is insane...the evidence is there... Watch the race and either reverse or confirm the outcome... Leaving a bad taste in punters mouths for a week or more is insane... The decision was wrong or Hyde would not have decided on action... The lotto pool on Saturday was R47 million when I looked... This week I will take my first of many lotto tickets for the first time in maybe 6 or 7 years because I am disillusioned by racing and the lack of control of it... If I need more luck than skill to win a wager then let me rather bet into a life-changing pool than the R1-2 million P6

Bob Brogan wrote: Dr Dom

We can't start throwing horses out for crossing over to the rail when they are 3L clear, that's called race riding

Watch the headons of nearly every race, you will hardly find a race when a horse in the places is crossed by the winner at some point

Not arguing with that, nor the disgust at the ruling. If you read my post I didn't argue that the RULING had any justification. Just having seen all the outrage before looking at the race, and then going to watch replay, I expected worse.

I did watch the replay and clearly the second horse (which at the time was not 3l back more like 1 and 1/2 ) switched out losing a some distance then runs on again. QV did close off the space that the horse was running into but like most I think QV at the time had the right to do so without causing interference.
My point was that watching the replay, if it was my horse finishing second, I would have definitely have asked the Jockey/trainer if he thought he had a case.
As a stipe I would not have ruled as they did, and of course that's where the shit hit the fan, but there are people act like some big conspiracy was at play rather than just poor officiating made worse by the TV interview

Did the jockey not switch of his own accord, thinking hat a green horse is better out in the open to run on than trying to go through a gap that could close on him. He did not stop riding. Just angled out to make sure he had a clear run IMHO.

remember how the punters closed down the meeting at clairwood when My Sanctuary gate didnt open properly or something? had this happened in KZN all hell wouldve broken loose and MR Stipe wouldnt have dreamed of being so cocky and smug

drdom wrote:

Bob Brogan wrote: Dr Dom

We can't start throwing horses out for crossing over to the rail when they are 3L clear, that's called race riding

Watch the headons of nearly every race, you will hardly find a race when a horse in the places is crossed by the winner at some point

Not arguing with that, nor the disgust at the ruling. If you read my post I didn't argue that the RULING had any justification. Just having seen all the outrage before looking at the race, and then going to watch replay, I expected worse.

I did watch the replay and clearly the second horse (which at the time was not 3l back more like 1 and 1/2 ) switched out losing a some distance then runs on again. QV did close off the space that the horse was running into but like most I think QV at the time had the right to do so without causing interference.
My point was that watching the replay, if it was my horse finishing second, I would have definitely have asked the Jockey/trainer if he thought he had a case.
As a stipe I would not have ruled as they did, and of course that's where the shit hit the fan, but there are people act like some big conspiracy was at play rather than just poor officiating made worse by the TV interview

When a decision is this far off the mark,in respect of an objection that is hard to understand having even been lodged, it begs questions ......bearing in mind that there were 2 other stipes ,obviously pointing out alternate views,so to disagree is a very deliberate consideration!
Remember,1 voted to overrule ,and the other abstains (ie.has no opinion after undoubtedly participating in the debate and then comparing the incident to the rules...lol)
Unless this is the head stipes first few objections,it is a stretch of my imagination to express the decision as mistake/incompetence!....(just my opinion)
If I was conducting this enquiry ,2 things would need clarification .........
a)the background to Zechners objection (the RA had handed over the bonus cheque by the time we were made aware of it)) and
b)look at a few other objections where this stipe participated and compare his reasoning to his opinions/vote in this one!(i assume the tapes are retained for a reasonable time)
I wish it didn't point to something a bit sinister,but nothing surprises me these days!

Of course ,as I suggested on another thread ,why not release the footage of the hearing ..........nothing beats that for transparency!
(For a very brief time ,we were allowed to view them ,live!!!!)

Khanyile suspended pending investigation.