3 year olds vs elders

Ok, it's that time again.
Headed into the KZN winter season with all to play for.
How do the 3 year olds rate against their elders?

It was touched on that some quarters felt Abashiri would not stand up against LE.

What about juxtapose? Is she as good as the older fillies and mares?

Let's hear your opinions and why.

Was just thinking if you took away Legal Eagle we would have a very wide open July

The same rule applies to all, in my opinion, check the race conditions. Sometimes the 3 year olds only receive the merit rating allowance and not the wfa allowance. Today, the Pmb card was a prime example in some of the sprint races.

Bayern I usually feel sprint form is the easiest to transfer through the regions ?

It should be Bob, being the shortest form of a race, generally, 800m races aside. If a trainer can find a race where the conditions dictate the three year old receives both the MR and wfa allowance, then it's game on. Most of the time, the 3 year olds receive one of the two allowances, not both.

Very difficult to judge. Noah was excellent in LQP so on form with Brazuca , New predator etc they have actually done quite well for the time of year. Fillies not really competed against the best around , although of course those ranks have been depleted with Sirens call not around, Smart call gone etc.

Not many of the younger sprinters really caught the eye as yet (Bull Valley)? but that might still come. Carry on Alice is still the standout, while Brutal Force looked the best competition until he became unavailable due to colic. A few of the 3yo fillies look promising in this department though.

Juxtapose really looked the part in her last 2 but as not really collateral to suggest how she might compare with an on form Inara or Same Jurisdiction but she was excellent and could easily be as good. Silver mountain is definitely very decent.
Abashiri has achieved something special but as good as he has been I don't fancy him against LE at fair track. However, he might well be the July horse if all goes well and is not far off.

Overall though I think the 3yo are not a bad bunch and probably better than some were thinking earlier in the season and as 2yo's.

Doc, you are saying what I am saying, but put differently. Against their own age group (right now), Abashiri (the exception) has risen to the top in no uncertain terms, however, as someone put it in a different thread, if Abashiri took his place in the July off (say) a MR 117, there is just no way he can compete against the likes of Legal Eagle - I think that was the intention of the post. What I am saying, if the race conditions are right/correct, then this scenario is possible e.g. Horse Chestnut winning the Met versus being run in the July and carrying in excess of 62.0kgs as a three year old. The point being, even the so called good ones will get rolled if the race conditions are not right, or the trainer does not place the horse correctly.

I understand a WFA allowance but what is a merit rating allowance?

Mac wrote: I understand a WFA allowance but what is a merit rating allowance?

The difference between the two merit rated figures printed in the form guide e.g. horse (A), 4 year old, MR 98, and horse B, 3 year old, MR 94, so the weight difference should be 2.0kg less in favour of horse B. In addition the WFA allowance should also be taken into consideration for that race distance.

I have not made up my mind one way or the other ....I will try to compile a list of possible weights to be carried in the July - perhaps pirates can enlighten us on what his views are regarding the weights?