gold circle continue to reward and prom mediocrity

Craig Eudey
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10 years 4 months ago

RF and if an owner has a share in 2 horses with different people? Nothing is ever perfect including rules, merit ratings etc. This way I think you get the best runner from a number of stables. Anyway these are the rules at the moment and being adhered to. Next time a different owner will get the rub of the green I am sure.

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10 years 4 months ago

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Very good topic this , we shouldnt ruin it by starting squabbles,if you both agree i will delete your comments?

Also think the title of the thread is a bit shit

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Craig Eudey wrote: RF and if an owner has a share in 2 horses with different people? Nothing is ever perfect including rules, merit ratings etc. This way I think you get the best runner from a number of stables. Anyway these are the rules at the moment and being adhered to. Next time a different owner will get the rub of the green I am sure.

Craig ,let me use an example to illustrate the madness of the system.
Lets assume an Insurance BROKER(aka agent) has 2 clients who both happen to have their houses burn down on the same day. Imagine the Insurance Company stating that it only accepts one claim a day per BROKER, and he must decide who's claim must be paid and which client's claim will be withdrawn!!!!!!
Racing keeps talking about being more business like.............well identifying who the real client is would be a good start.

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Craig Eudey
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RF, a more accurate analogy would be that one client has 2 houses burn down and another has 1. The broker can only pay out 2 houses a day. Does he pay the one guy for 2 and the other nothing or does he pay each guy for one and the other later? I know which is the right way.

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10 years 4 months ago

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Craig Eudey wrote: RF, a more accurate analogy would be that one client has 2 houses burn down and another has 1. The broker can only pay out 2 houses a day. Does he pay the one guy for 2 and the other nothing or does he pay each guy for one and the other later? I know which is the right way.

But the broker doesn't pay...only the insurance company does...

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Craig Eudey
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10 years 4 months ago

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TN, you confusing me!

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Craig Eudey wrote: RF, a more accurate analogy would be that one client has 2 houses burn down and another has 1. The broker can only pay out 2 houses a day. Does he pay the one guy for 2 and the other nothing or does he pay each guy for one and the other later? I know which is the right way.

Sorry Craig, but your analogy confirms that you have completely missed the point........was this formula your suggestion in the first place ,by any chance?
(In your analogy you correctly refer to who OWNS the houses, not who brokes(as agent) them,so why not let horses run, based on the same criteria????)
The POINT the owner IS the client ...............whats next.......perhaps we should never let 2 horses that are cared for by the same groom, run in the same race.

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10 years 4 months ago

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its also very unfair on the trainer who has to decide which horse of theirs gets a run and add to the fact that races over the correct distance and the correct surface do not come along every week ...

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Craig Eudey
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RF I think my change to your analogy is right but too hot to argue. It was not my idea but as James G said, his horse Run Softly has been eliminated it made a deserve runner 5 times since his last run.if the owner wants to keep the horse in training it is his right. He should be given the chance to have a run. I will find out tomorrow why a trainer got 2 runners in race 5 before 2 trainers got 1. James doesn't know.

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Craig Eudey wrote: RF I think my change to your analogy is right but too hot to argue. It was not my idea but as James G said, his horse Run Softly has been eliminated it made a deserve runner 5 times since his last run.if the owner wants to keep the horse in training it is his right. He should be given the chance to have a run. I will find out tomorrow why a trainer got 2 runners in race 5 before 2 trainers got 1. James doesn't know.

Craig,if a trainer had entered 3 horses and was only allowed to run 2,then your analogy is perfect (particularly if 2 belonged to the same owner) and I would agree entirely with you method of resolution.
However,in this instance, 2 horses are entered ,but only one can run, and it means one owner is not getting a run due to who his agent is! Makes no sense except in the racing industry.

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Thank you Bob... removed my post

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10 years 4 months ago

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Craig Eudey wrote: Pirates, I will check on race 5 as to why a trainer has 2 in the race before 2 other trainers have 1. That is confusing. With regards maidens, MR is not the criteria in choosing the field. It is a points system where you start with 0 and then after 2 runs you start getting minus points for runs that are not in the first 5. Once you run in the first 5 again you go back to 0. Horses that have run places in their last runs get in first then 1st timers. Merit rating is not taken into account in maidens at all.

so go Richie finished 4th out of 8 today in the workriders race so he automatically qualifies to run next time?even though he has a net rating over 1200m of 44

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