Well in at the weights/wieghted to win

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Well in at the weights/wieghted to win

10 years 8 months ago
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Many a time i heard about these two terms.

When is the horse well in or weighted to win ?

Eg MR 77 horse carry 49kg ( Well in or weighted to win )

Is there a way to check these two terms within the days card ?

or a publication where it is published

eg Sporting Post, Winning Form
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Re: Well in at the weights/wieghted to win

10 years 8 months ago
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Weighted to win...normally in set weight races...reference to horse carrying lesser weight than in open handicap

Well in...horse has run to higher rating but has not received full penalty as yet...some types of races carry maximum penalties even if true rating should be higher...eg...I stand corrected but to my knoweldge the maximum rating for a 4 year old that has just won its maiden is net 70 even if it runs to a higher rating in winning maiden

Hope that helps...

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Re: Well in at the weights/wieghted to win

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Re: Well in at the weights/wieghted to win

10 years 8 months ago
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Also if its a eg MR 70 races horses that are carrying 58kg is well in

Can one than just consentrate on those that carries the 58kg ?
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Re: Well in at the weights/wieghted to win

10 years 8 months ago
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good2soft wrote: Also if its a eg MR 70 races horses that are carrying 58kg is well in

Can one than just consentrate on those that carries the 58kg ?

I would advise against listening to the comments made by presenters...

By definition, a handicap is meant to give all horses an equal chance of winning irrespective of weight...a horse carrying 60kgs or 52 kgs has just as much chance as the horse carrying 58 kgs....if all handicapped correctly...

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Re: Well in at the weights/wieghted to win

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I think it depends on the type of race the horse is running in, either a Plated race or a Handicap.

In Plated races, a horse may come in with a very high MR, and carries the same weight as the others with lower MR's, had it been a handicap cap race, "he'd" have to concede weight to the entire field.

To me, it's the same thing just put differently.

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Re: Well in at the weights/wieghted to win

10 years 8 months ago
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Apart from non-handicap races, because of limits imposed on the handicappers when it comes to increase a horse's MR (I think 8 points is max for winning a handicap), one sometimes finds a horse running to a 90, but because of the limits he is only rated at 83 (for example) - obviously the next time the horse runs in a handicap he is 3.5 kg's better off at the weights than he should be - so 'weighted to win' or 'well in at the weights' - basically the same thing

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Re: Well in at the weights/wieghted to win

10 years 8 months ago
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TNaicker wrote:
good2soft wrote: Also if its a eg MR 70 races horses that are carrying 58kg is well in

Can one than just consentrate on those that carries the 58kg ?

I would advise against listening to the comments made by presenters...

By definition, a handicap is meant to give all horses an equal chance of winning irrespective of weight...a horse carrying 60kgs or 52 kgs has just as much chance as the horse carrying 58 kgs....if all handicapped correctly...

Correct - the presenters often will tell you that a horse is 'well in at the weights' just because he is a 6 time winners carrying less than a 1 time winner - utter bs :evil:

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Re: Well in at the weights/wieghted to win

10 years 8 months ago
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A good example of well in at the weights or weighted to win is this Sunday, Turffontein, Race5 number 7 One Fine Day. A MR103 in a Novice Plate, she has the whole field out at the weights!

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Re: Well in at the weights/wieghted to win

10 years 8 months ago
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G2S u can work it out go onto Gallop.co.za they give the entire fields MR. Usually two points in the MR represents 1kg of weight. Eg sharp design carrying top weight in a conditions race of 60 kg has a MR of 110. De Var hyt carries 2nd highest weight of say 58 kg but MR is only 104. Then theoretically If the handicapper has got it correct de var hyt would be 1kg out at the weights with sharp design and sharp design could be deemed weighted to win.

Add another horse say Jimmi choo carries 52kg's with a MR of 90 in that same race. Then he in turn should be receiving 10kg from sharp design but is only receiving 8 kg and is thus 2kg out at the weights with sharp design and 1kg out at the weights with De var hyt.

Hope my explanation makes sense and I may be mistaken but that's how I understand it.

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Re: Well in at the weights/wieghted to win

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Colin Dav wrote: G2S u can work it out go onto Gallop.co.za they give the entire fields MR. Usually two points in the MR represents 1kg of weight. Eg sharp design carrying top weight in a conditions race of 60 kg has a MR of 110. De Var hyt carries 2nd highest weight of say 58 kg but MR is only 104. Then theoretically If the handicapper has got it correct de var hyt would be 1kg out at the weights with sharp design and sharp design could be deemed weighted to win.

Add another horse say Jimmi choo carries 52kg's with a MR of 90 in that same race. Then he in turn should be receiving 10kg from sharp design but is only receiving 8 kg and is thus 2kg out at the weights with sharp design and 1kg out at the weights with De var hyt.

Hope my explanation makes sense and I may be mistaken but that's how I understand it.

nice explanation Colin Dav....{but the De Var hyt will beat Sharp Design on a straight course :) }
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Re: Well in at the weights/wieghted to win

10 years 8 months ago
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keniza999 wrote:
Colin Dav wrote: G2S u can work it out go onto Gallop.co.za they give the entire fields MR. Usually two points in the MR represents 1kg of weight. Eg sharp design carrying top weight in a conditions race of 60 kg has a MR of 110. De Var hyt carries 2nd highest weight of say 58 kg but MR is only 104. Then theoretically If the handicapper has got it correct de var hyt would be 1kg out at the weights with sharp design and sharp design could be deemed weighted to win.

Add another horse say Jimmi choo carries 52kg's with a MR of 90 in that same race. Then he in turn should be receiving 10kg from sharp design but is only receiving 8 kg and is thus 2kg out at the weights with sharp design and 1kg out at the weights with De var hyt.

Hope my explanation makes sense and I may be mistaken but that's how I understand it.

nice explanation Colin Dav....{but the De Var hyt will beat Sharp Design on a straight course :) }

Haha it's a hypothetical example, first few horses names that came to mind. Thanks though il remember that. :lol:

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