15 point penalty ??? fair or unfair

after Dare to be grand's 2nd place on monday kimberley , the handicapper hit her with a 15 point penalty according to bret webber

fair or unfair?

help please frodo or rob or the clever guys?

Ziets if they use the winner as a line horse then you should get 8 points (which i thought was the max anyway?) but if that is not the case and they used the 3rd horse as aline horse the penalty will be heavier..she was badly under sufferance in that race.

I also though 8 was max.... but I dont believe in, or understand this MR shyte...

The Madji Wrote:

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> I also though 8 was max.... but I dont believe in,
> or understand this MR shyte...


I also thought 8 was the max and as she was 8 pounds under sufference thought that is what she would have got. I do feel an additional 7 point penalty for running second is very harsh.

8 points is max in condition plates no mr races. ziets with respect if you no under stand how mr works i sugest you find some one who do and learn very quick. for me i new you were going to get the big penalty is why i say be fore you get trainers and you get trainers who plan properly. so running in the wrong race is in efect cost you 2 to 3 wins. is how the system work best you learn fast or you cost your owners more by no now what you do.

Flash Harry Wrote:

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> 8 points is max in condition plates no mr races.
> ziets with respect if you no under stand how mr
> works i sugest you find some one who do and learn
> very quick. for me i new you were going to get the
> big penalty is why i say be fore you get trainers
> and you get trainers who plan properly. so running
> in the wrong race is in efect cost you 2 to 3
> wins. is how the system work best you learn fast
> or you cost your owners more by no now what you
> do.

How many races for an MR 42 Flash ???

these is another example of why i say go back to the previous system. so with out be funny 1 run you get 15 points. i give you the garantee you run 10 more races over next year and finish over 10 length behind in every one you still no loose 15 points. the horse is finish with a 2nd in a mr66 in kimberley. how can these be fair regardless of the mistake to race in that field?

Flash Harry Wrote:

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> these is another example of why i say go back to
> the previous system. so with out be funny 1 run
> you get 15 points. i give you the garantee you run
> 10 more races over next year and finish over 10
> length behind in every one you still no loose 15
> points. the horse is finish with a 2nd in a mr66
> in kimberley. how can these be fair regardless of
> the mistake to race in that field?


Flash..... you preaching to the converted.

madji i make these point many time my friend. if the horse is genuine 42 then rather go be come ou ryperd. but if ziets is improve and he is better may be he wait a month or two find a race mr 56 or some thing have the serious punt and get 6 or 8 point AND the cash. then all so there is chance to win next mr 56 and then go for the mr66

Flash Harry Wrote:

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> these is another example of why i say go back to
> the previous system. so with out be funny 1 run
> you get 15 points. i give you the garantee you run
> 10 more races over next year and finish over 10
> length behind in every one you still no loose 15
> points. the horse is finish with a 2nd in a mr66
> in kimberley. how can these be fair regardless of
> the mistake to race in that field?

The previous system was shite because the handicaps worked like plated races. So you had plated races and plated races. What exactly would you do?

I did not rate the race, but for me this 8 points max is rubbish anyway - give the horse the rating it ran to - as I understand it she was in under sufferance and as Flash says, if you run a horse under sufferance (I realize that sometimes one has no choice), you have to understand the possible consequences :S

Frodo Wrote:

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> I did not rate the race, but for me this 8 points
> max is rubbish anyway - give the horse the rating
> it ran to - as I understand it she was in under
> sufferance and as Flash says, if you run a horse
> under sufferance (I realize that sometimes one has
> no choice), you have to understand the possible
> consequences :S


Fark me, the horse has had how many runs? After that it waz a 42.... I assume that it earned that!! Now ONE out of its skin run and it gets lumped 7.5kgs.... and another 12 moderate runs to show that it is indeed a 42...but the MR will nt drop 15 points if the horse finishes last in the next start...... will it???