as OWNERS can we charge Phumelela/Gold Circle

Copyright clauses...what a liberty. Imagine you're at a Rihanna show - you paid for your Gold Circle tickets, you're right there, taking pics of her performing on stage. Now who owns the copyright of those pics on your Samsung S4 or, Ipad ??

anyone out there with intellectual property/copyright legal background care to enlighten me?

Remember Joel strainsky drop at the wc.. Taken by a spectator in the stands...all hell broke loose

Its an outrage that the Owner receives no compensation when our horses appear on Television ,
taking into consideration that Owners PAY PAY PAY and unless U have the right name or connections or U Very Lucky,
You might only have 1 or 2 wins and a few places .
As an owner U pay for the Horse , the Training , the Farrier, the Vet , Registration fees , Colours have to be renewed annually, Authority to act , Your horse then appears on Television and the owner gets absolutely no remuneration for a live appearance , I have thought for many years that its not right . Because at the end of the day there will be no racing without the OWNER ??

my point is, Superstar, that it is a public event. With the operators, owners and all racing service providers expecting the public to attend, and spend their money there. Whether by attending on course, or through participating in betting.

When racing became something other than the Kings of England engaging in a private bet with their countrymen, meaning ordinary people could own racehorses, and the facilities became supported by public money (punters), it moved away from '...there will be no racing without the Owner'. But having said that, SAF is very close to it being 'a sport run by itself for itself' in that there are very few owners, and most sponsors of feature races are those same owners.

Yes, owners are needed, in the same way horses, jockeys, trainers, tracks, operators and punters are needed. At the moment, in certain parts of the world, racing operators have made good use of luring the public and getting them to spend their leisure money. This is attractive to sponsors...

Here in SAF, why is it so difficult to facilitate the message getting out to the public - en masse? as Step One??? Should be easy, then, a bit more tricky and time-consuming - Step Two, to produce a reliable, believable, trust-able product (a bit of fixing and cleaning needs to be done on various levels) - which can be communicated.

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> my point is, Superstar, that it is a public event.
> With the operators, owners and all racing service
> providers expecting the public to attend, and
> spend their money there. Whether by attending on
> course, or through participating in betting.
>
> When racing became something other than the Kings
> of England engaging in a private bet with their
> countrymen, meaning ordinary people could own
> racehorses, and the facilities became supported by
> public money (punters), it moved away from
> '...there will be no racing without the Owner'.
> But having said that, SAF is very close to it
> being 'a sport run by itself for itself' in that
> there are very few owners, and most sponsors of
> feature races are those same owners.
>
> Yes, owners are needed, in the same way horses,
> jockeys, trainers, tracks, operators and punters
> are needed. At the moment, in certain parts of the
> world, racing operators have made good use of
> luring the public and getting them to spend their
> leisure money. This is attractive to sponsors...
>
> Here in SAF, why is it so difficult to facilitate
> the message getting out to the public - en masse?
> as Step One??? Should be easy, then, a bit more
> tricky and time-consuming - Step Two, to produce
> a reliable, believable, trust-able product (a bit
> of fixing and cleaning needs to be done on various
> levels) - which can be communicated.

You have good point Don which is hard to dispute so I am not going to, but I am going to ponder over it .
It is hard to sell a product that is rather frayed around the edges as U say in step 2 but I think it will take a lot more than a bit to bring
the masses back we need Great Horses (consistent) to capture the imagination of people but that has not happened for a long time .
Maybe now that steroids have been banned we might get too see Great Horses ?

hmm yes, there are good ones only - but good enough to make a story about. Then there is the history of course which could be used, with the legends.

Alas, today, in the Saturday ARgus, there was NOTHING about the upcoming stars running next Saturday. Only one strip ad in colour for L'Ormarins, and one article about the benefactors of L'Ormarins - donating money to a good cause where horses are used for therapy for traumatised youngsters. Will check the papers tomorrow...hopefully there is something about the race itself and its history, one of the runners with a photograph, or perhaps something about the Goodwood race exchange.

Did anyone else see anything in any of the other tabloids today?

There are going to be 10 000 more people at the QP compared to 5 or 6 years ago

yes, but are they there for the racing, or for the party? what is the turnover conversion...

Well Don, you can only lead a horse to water.

this horse is being led blindfolded, is there anyone at racing explaining to the hoards what it is they are seeing there? No, they are left to look pretty in the sun, drinking and waiting for the party at the end of the day, which is the carrot. The sport is not the carrot.

Did you watch the cricket? What do you estimate the conversion rate was of all those spectators? Did they actually watch and follow and understand the game or did they hide in a tent somewhere with their friends drinking, waiting for the DJ party to happen, and occasionally happen to notice men in white attire on a field in the middle, with no clue as to what that was about with the square bat and white ball?

racing is not optimising its opportunities at the moment...