Queens plate or Paddock stakes?

For Espumanti ?drawn well in both,chances in both....





Event-1 R 1,000,000 1600m (Turf)
L'ORMARINS QUEEN'S PLATE (WFA) (Grade 1)

2 CAPETOWN NOIR Dean Kannemeyer
15 CASTLETHORPE (AUS) Mike Bass
8 CHAVE DE OURA Dennis Drier
9 CORREDOR Glen Puller
14 DO YOU REMEMBER Geoff Woodruff
7 ESPUMANTI (GB ) Mike de Kock
4 HOT TICKET Dean Kannemeyer
10 ICE MACHINE Dean Kannemeyer
11 JACKSON Brett Crawford
12 JET BELLE Glen Kotzen
16 JET EXPLORER Justin Snaith
3 KING OF PAIN Joey Ramsden
6 LAKE ARTHUR Yogas Govender
1 MASTER SABINA Geoff Woodruff
18 NO WORRIES Gavin van Zyl
13 RED RAY Joey Ramsden
17 ROYAL ZULU WARRIOR Kumaran Naidoo
19 WHITELINE FEVER Sean Tarry
5 YORKER Geoff Woodruff
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Event-2 R 1,000,000 1800m (Turf)
PADDOCK STAKES (WFA) (Grade 1)

9 ALASCAN MAIDEN Mike Bass
7 ALONG CAME POLLY Gavin van Zyl
13 BEACH BEAUTY Dennis Drier
18 DO YOU REMEMBER Geoff Woodruff
5 ESPUMANTI (GB ) Mike de Kock
3 EUROPE TO AFRICA ( Vaughan Marshal
16 HAMMIE'S HOOKER Mike Bass
4 IN THE FAST LANE Justin Snaith
6 JET AGLOW Dennis Drier
2 JET BELLE Glen Kotzen
1 JET SUPREME Justin Snaith
14 LANNER FALCON Mike Bass
10 MASKED LADY Glen Kotzen
12 MAXIMUM JET Patrick Kruyer
8 PRICELESS JEWEL Adam Marcus
11 PRINCESS OFTHE SKY Mike Bass
17 PURE POWER Mike Bass
15 RAZZLE DAZZLE ROSE Yogas Govender

All I know is they will all struggle against Capetown Noir in the LQP.

keniza999 Wrote:

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> All I know is they will all struggle against
> Capetown Noir in the LQP.


Did they get to the bottom of CTN very bad run last time?

Top class fields at Wfa, something to look forward to.-

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I don't know Hibs but a mile has always been his forte.

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> I don't know Hibs but a mile has always been his
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You might be right, but his best run so far imo was the daily news 3rd

Shrewd nomination Red Ray in the Queens P. One has to think with a little left in the tank he's a runner. I'm surprised no other 3yo is considering a wfa mile.

In the fast lane looks to be the right one.

I think that the Paddock Stakes will be a tougher race to win than the Q Plate. The older fillies and mares are particularly strong- In order of preference I like Beach Beauty; Do You Remember; Espumanti; Jet Aglow; Hammies Hooker. I can't see any of the 3yos making the frame.
Of the dual entrants, Do you Remember is better over the further trip, wheras Espumanti equally effective both trips. Would make sense for her to go for the QP I think.
QP is tricky this year- CTN was disappointing last run, but this is his mission so still a big runner. Jackson comes in off only the Diadem run as prep, and while he is a very decent miler, he is at his best over 2000m.
King of Pain is in good form and draws well. Whiteline Fever and Royal Zulu Warrior have to be respected despite poor draws. Ice Machine ran a cracker last time.
Red Ray and Espumanti are big runners.
My early preference: Red Ray; Espumanti; Capetown Noir; Jackson; Ice Machine

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> I think that the Paddock Stakes will be a tougher
> race to win than the Q Plate. The older fillies
> and mares are particularly strong- In order of
> preference I like Beach Beauty; Do You Remember;
> Espumanti; Jet Aglow; Hammies Hooker. I can't see
> any of the 3yos making the frame.
> Of the dual entrants, Do you Remember is better
> over the further trip, wheras Espumanti equally
> effective both trips. Would make sense for her to
> go for the QP I think.
> QP is tricky this year- CTN was disappointing last
> run, but this is his mission so still a big
> runner. Jackson comes in off only the Diadem run
> as prep, and while he is a very decent miler, he
> is at his best over 2000m.
> King of Pain is in good form and draws well.
> Whiteline Fever and Royal Zulu Warrior have to be
> respected despite poor draws. Ice Machine ran a
> cracker last time.
> Red Ray and Espumanti are big runners.
> My early preference: Red Ray; Espumanti; Capetown
> Noir; Jackson; Ice Machine


I mostly agree - but I think there are two ways to look at it from the de Kock' stable point of view - to date Espumanti has not been that effective beyond 1600 - so if they are really contemplating the Met, the Paddock Stakes could be a nice 'trial' to see if going for the Met is a realistic option; the 'easier' road could be the QP - but if she runs in that I doubt she would go for the Met - unless they go in with the attitude of 'nothing to lose so let's give it a try'.

I hope that Red Ray does run in the QP - it would give us a realistic indication of how the 3yr olds stack up to the older horses. I agree the race is wide open; nothing much between CTN and KOP on 3yr old form, so on that Ice Machine comes into it - a lot would also depend which race (QP or Met) the 'real' target is for horses like IM and others - if the 'real' target is the Met, they may not be at their very peak for the QP :S

Frodo i still have a niggle about Red Ray,i think a step up in trip might suit

i just hope if red ray runs in queens plate that they dont put a marcus up.he is not riding well at the moment and they should try striker because he was the last jock to win the queens plate on a 3 yr old.(gimmethegreenlight).

i do think that jackson is the 1 to beat in queens plate because there is no variety club in the race.