Lafferty struck it big?
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Re: Re: Lafferty struck it big?
12 years 2 months ago
Craig i treid calling. I also only post 10% of what i know. Please take my call, it will take 5 minutes and ill show you real stats and figures on how a trainer went from being a 2 % winner to a 13% winner in 2 years
this was done by 3 people telling him what to do
i was the one helping him with nominations.
this was done by 3 people telling him what to do
i was the one helping him with nominations.
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Re: Re: Lafferty struck it big?
12 years 2 months ago
Craig you believe 90 % is horse 10% trainer then my friend you got a lot to learn.
i am not going to mention names but do you think horses change stables improve because the 90 % story.
The other day some horse changed hands and went to a trainer named Little,was battling maiden with Maroun Bradley and won by 8 lengths so it was nothing to do with new trainer.
Mike de kock took horses from Bass and O brian and turned them into champs
Royal Delta maiden to group 1
and ballymore throw out.
its just luck i assume.
i am not going to mention names but do you think horses change stables improve because the 90 % story.
The other day some horse changed hands and went to a trainer named Little,was battling maiden with Maroun Bradley and won by 8 lengths so it was nothing to do with new trainer.
Mike de kock took horses from Bass and O brian and turned them into champs
Royal Delta maiden to group 1
and ballymore throw out.
its just luck i assume.
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Re: Re: Lafferty struck it big?
12 years 2 months ago
The late Buddy Maroun was a master of taking ''has beens'' from Kzn and turning them into top class sprinters....

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Re: Re: Lafferty struck it big?
12 years 2 months ago
A good example is Dunford who was very average with Rivalland but won the July for Bass
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Re: Re: Lafferty struck it big?
12 years 2 months ago
triple tempo Wrote:
> A good example is Dunford who was very average
> with Rivalland but won the July for Bass
Just for the record...Rivalland just won with a first timer.. 20/1 not shabby.... BUT I am not saying anything... is just coincidental.
> A good example is Dunford who was very average
> with Rivalland but won the July for Bass
Just for the record...Rivalland just won with a first timer.. 20/1 not shabby.... BUT I am not saying anything... is just coincidental.
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Re: Re: Lafferty struck it big?
12 years 2 months ago
fyi mdk also took stars from obrien that flopped
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Re: Re: Lafferty struck it big?
12 years 2 months ago
What about Highland Night who won the Gold Cup and changed stables and won again.
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12 years 2 months ago
I think for Maroun then Drier owned by Mc Donald
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That was a great coup Buddy Maroun first run with Al Nitak 25-1 into 9/2 he told me it cant lose i asked him what he smoking.
Herman Browne said horse best track horse Duncan Howes put LLoyd on went distance thought it was a good thing
Buddy went 1000 meters and made horse a superstar.
would Al Nitak ever have done the same at Herman Browe or after Duncan Howels
No Craig is correct it was luck 90 % the horse just 10% trainer.
Craig if you believe that you will be one of the bread and butter trainers.
Mike De Kock one day said to me all Natal trainers are clueless baring David Payne and Dennis Drier.
He was not far off
That was around 1993 since then the odd one has improved.
NB Duncan H was assistant to David Payne.
Herman Browne said horse best track horse Duncan Howes put LLoyd on went distance thought it was a good thing
Buddy went 1000 meters and made horse a superstar.
would Al Nitak ever have done the same at Herman Browe or after Duncan Howels
No Craig is correct it was luck 90 % the horse just 10% trainer.
Craig if you believe that you will be one of the bread and butter trainers.
Mike De Kock one day said to me all Natal trainers are clueless baring David Payne and Dennis Drier.
He was not far off
That was around 1993 since then the odd one has improved.
NB Duncan H was assistant to David Payne.
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Re: Re: Lafferty struck it big?
12 years 2 months ago
zenyatta Wrote:
> That was a great coup Buddy Maroun first run with
> Al Nitak 25-1 into 9/2 he told me it cant lose i
> asked him what he smoking.
>
> Herman Browne said horse best track horse Duncan
> Howes put LLoyd on went distance thought it was a
> good thing
>
> Buddy went 1000 meters and made horse a
> superstar.
>
>
> would Al Nitak ever have done the same at Herman
> Browe or after Duncan Howels
>
> No Craig is correct it was luck 90 % the horse
> just 10% trainer.
>
> Craig if you believe that you will be one of the
> bread and butter trainers.
>
>
> Mike De Kock one day said to me all Natal trainers
> are clueless baring David Payne and Dennis Drier.
>
>
> He was not far off
>
> That was around 1993 since then the odd one has
> improved.
>
> NB Duncan H was assistant to David Payne.
This is a cheap shot at Natal trainers. Common don't quote MDK, speak your own thoughts. Nelson Mandela told me one day that I could do what whatever i want except name drop!
> That was a great coup Buddy Maroun first run with
> Al Nitak 25-1 into 9/2 he told me it cant lose i
> asked him what he smoking.
>
> Herman Browne said horse best track horse Duncan
> Howes put LLoyd on went distance thought it was a
> good thing
>
> Buddy went 1000 meters and made horse a
> superstar.
>
>
> would Al Nitak ever have done the same at Herman
> Browe or after Duncan Howels
>
> No Craig is correct it was luck 90 % the horse
> just 10% trainer.
>
> Craig if you believe that you will be one of the
> bread and butter trainers.
>
>
> Mike De Kock one day said to me all Natal trainers
> are clueless baring David Payne and Dennis Drier.
>
>
> He was not far off
>
> That was around 1993 since then the odd one has
> improved.
>
> NB Duncan H was assistant to David Payne.
This is a cheap shot at Natal trainers. Common don't quote MDK, speak your own thoughts. Nelson Mandela told me one day that I could do what whatever i want except name drop!
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Re: Re: Lafferty struck it big?
12 years 2 months ago
Yep mdk would not have said that , put your real name to your posts if thou want to say things on behalf of others
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Re: Re: Lafferty struck it big?
12 years 2 months ago
soodum Wrote:
> Wouter Wrote:
>
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> > soodum Wrote:
> >
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> >
> > > Sometimes having the experience of the
> > university
> > > of life pays off! Just ask sir richard
> branson
> >
> >
> >
> > And some people who dont have them uni papers -
> > ask Bill Gates
<
> >
> > Many college drop outs have become
> > multi-million/billionaires...
> >
> > This comment of yours is injust...
> >
> > I ask a question...
> >
> > When Craig posts about his runners we are all
> > totally grateful, now that he posts to defend a
> > friend / colleague he gets attacked...
> >
> > Craig most probably knows more of the truth to
> > this whole saga than you do - regarding the Laff
> /
> > Soma issue...
> >
> > Maybe there are those emails that someone else
> > mentioned (did not read to the very end of this
> > thread... going pear shaped very quickly)...
> and
> > he dropped hints and now he gets shot down...
> > think those mails need to be aired, to defend
> the
> > trainers in this instance... anyway the truth
> > always gets out... Maybe there is no additional
> > info than what was given, in the end Craig
> makes
> > valid points, Laff had done all the hard work
> with
> > the horse and Soma just did the final
> touches...
> > they both have to be congratulated
> >
> > Personally I would have a horseman trainer and
> > looking after my horse than an business / law
> > degree character looking after my horse... I
> would
> > have a guy who has ridden horses / and looked
> to
> > horses since they were kids opposed to someone
> > sitting with a piece of paper claiming to know
> it
> > all... sometimes the hands on experience
> triumphs
> > the piece of paper a character is holding...
> >
> > I only have a matric... so what am I not
> smarter
> > than some of you degree holding people??? you
> may
> > be a master in your profession, but lets take
> it
> > to a different playing field an I'm sure I
> would
> > have you guys stone cold... so... to bash a
> > trainer not having a degree or something
> similar
> > IMVHO is hilarious
> >
> > And well done Mentor on the G1.
>
>
> You confusing me, when I said university of life I
> meant you dnt need a degree to be successful
My Bad - guess my matric does not count for much as I didn't bother to complete reading the sentence
the Uni of Life...
In the end the horse won - and I'm sure Mentor, Laff and Soma are all happy with the result!!!
> Wouter Wrote:
>
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> > soodum Wrote:
> >
>
>
> >
> > > Sometimes having the experience of the
> > university
> > > of life pays off! Just ask sir richard
> branson
> >
> >
> >
> > And some people who dont have them uni papers -
> > ask Bill Gates

> >
> > Many college drop outs have become
> > multi-million/billionaires...
> >
> > This comment of yours is injust...
> >
> > I ask a question...
> >
> > When Craig posts about his runners we are all
> > totally grateful, now that he posts to defend a
> > friend / colleague he gets attacked...
> >
> > Craig most probably knows more of the truth to
> > this whole saga than you do - regarding the Laff
> /
> > Soma issue...
> >
> > Maybe there are those emails that someone else
> > mentioned (did not read to the very end of this
> > thread... going pear shaped very quickly)...
> and
> > he dropped hints and now he gets shot down...
> > think those mails need to be aired, to defend
> the
> > trainers in this instance... anyway the truth
> > always gets out... Maybe there is no additional
> > info than what was given, in the end Craig
> makes
> > valid points, Laff had done all the hard work
> with
> > the horse and Soma just did the final
> touches...
> > they both have to be congratulated
> >
> > Personally I would have a horseman trainer and
> > looking after my horse than an business / law
> > degree character looking after my horse... I
> would
> > have a guy who has ridden horses / and looked
> to
> > horses since they were kids opposed to someone
> > sitting with a piece of paper claiming to know
> it
> > all... sometimes the hands on experience
> triumphs
> > the piece of paper a character is holding...
> >
> > I only have a matric... so what am I not
> smarter
> > than some of you degree holding people??? you
> may
> > be a master in your profession, but lets take
> it
> > to a different playing field an I'm sure I
> would
> > have you guys stone cold... so... to bash a
> > trainer not having a degree or something
> similar
> > IMVHO is hilarious
> >
> > And well done Mentor on the G1.
>
>
> You confusing me, when I said university of life I
> meant you dnt need a degree to be successful
My Bad - guess my matric does not count for much as I didn't bother to complete reading the sentence

In the end the horse won - and I'm sure Mentor, Laff and Soma are all happy with the result!!!
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