trainers verse the poison dwarfs?

pirates Wrote:

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> mark sutherland was an average rider and lookat
> how many features he won for terence millard...its
> all about the horse


spot on..and look at the de kock stable here..any rider they put on rides winners for them..whether it be delpech,yeni,simons,herholdt etc..when they give those guys decent rides they also arrive..not just when the big names are aboard

chase maujean was battling to get a ride in durban..he relocated to gauteng,is getting a better quality of rides from mr goosen and the guy is riding winners..did he just gain more ability over night?? no..he is still the same jock,it is just his quality of rides that has changed..

a perfect eg of top jocks not getting quality rides is ryan moore in dubai.moore is arguably 1 of best jocks in world yet in dubai he is riding fo h brown stable and he cant ride a winner,yet in uk wen he rides for m stoute and other top stables he wins a few races every meeting.so imo if ordinary jocks get same mounts as top jocks they will get the same results.it boils down to the horse and not the jock.

So it boils down to it is by far the horse and not the trainer or jockey who makes the biggest difference which is what I said earlier. Ok maybe 94 % the horse but I am not going below that! One day I will explain to a few clan members (who sound like they need it), which end of a horse bites and which end kicks!

Craig Eudey Wrote:

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> So it boils down to it is by far the horse and not
> the trainer or jockey who makes the biggest
> difference which is what I said earlier. Ok maybe
> 94 % the horse but I am not going below that! One
> day I will explain to a few clan members (who
> sound like they need it), which end of a horse
> bites and which end kicks!

Are they not one and the same?????????

Some seem to be confused as to who is actually doing the running!

Justin i was not saying give Anton another jocks rides and he will win the championship. Not at all. What im saying is that there is a measure debatable to all but in my opinion more than what people give credit for to the improvement on given mounts. so what im actually saying is that jockey x gets 10 rides and places on 5 and 2 seconds. Anton would probably have got one home hence my opinion that top jocks are worth it -thats why they are exactly that top jocks. If it were 95 percent horse then what has pace , timing , positioning etc got to do with it. IMO alot as it is obvious that many races are won by jockeyship eg Felix often keeps them going a shd where most other jocks would get beaten. That does not mean that the jock who gets beaten a shd is way inferiour obviously not the point is they get slightly more out the horse. The same principle applies to trainers. This is all logical and otherwise why is Anton in such demand. Logic because he is worth it. What makes me laugh is the trainers who say 95 perc horse yet they put top jocks on most of their horses that can win huh why? because they are better thats why! Otherwise there would be a huge demand for all the jocks because there is not much difference in ability. Come on guys 95 percent horse is absolutely laughable

Sometime last year around August or so methinks, Anton Marcus could not ride at the Vaal. Four of his five rides were winners with the replacement jocks up. That implies it is the horse...BUT... look down the form sheet and see when a horse is suddenly a lot closer than usual and you will see how frequently t is because suddenly a Striker, Marcus, Delpech etc. got on its back.Jockeyship does make a huge difference... arguing % 's is extremely subjective in my opinion.

Funnily By001 Anton agrees with my %, but what does he know he know he only rides them.

Craig Eudey Wrote:

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> Funnily By001 Anton agrees with my %, but what
> does he know he know he only rides them.


Craig...you enjoyed a few drinks with mates ?? Dat a funny post . . . . .

Craig

I have a slightly different take on the %age issue.

Whilst the eventual %age for the horse might be around 94%, this particular horse might have been only a 70% when starting out.
It is the TRAINER that brings this %age up to the 94% mark, by way of his methods in training.
The jockey just pilots the horse in a race. Obviously every horse has to be ridden differently. Even these instructions come from the trainers.

Just my thought.

if the feature races this weekend dont prove it then i duno..leon erasmus wins the fillies guineas and derrick david wins on de kocks 3rd choice in the guineas..if delpech rode the winner people would be saying what a ride typical de kock and delpech big race boys etc etc..but david rides it and its quiet..fact is whoever they put on the horse on the day prob would have won it..whether it was marcus delpech or david..give leon erasmus a horse that can win the fillies guineas and he wins it..sometime people forget who is carrying who