Owners?

Guys, being a limey and somewhat out of the local politic - I am curious as too what the total amount of current owners of Horses there are? And what percentage of said owners belong to the RA?

I think it could be quite an interesting answer - especially if the majority of owners don't actually belong to the RA.

Does anyone know the numbers?

Respectfully, Jim.

Good morning Jim, interesting question, I am sure the jockey club have a list of racehorse owners and colour holders, plus we have a list of RA members, for P regions, also not sure if you have to have a horse to be in the RA?
Would be interesting to get the stats?

I'm glad I'm not the only one with no idea - lol!

Thanks guys anyhow, the main reason I ask is that I have threatened to join the RA several times this past year, but whenever I get close something (gut feeling?) unsettles me to do so.

Whether it's the questions over previous decisions, the seemingly unaccountability that derives from any such discussions or simple avoidance of issues that flow from said ignored discussions about accountability.

And just recent the 're-jigging' of the constitution to enable persons to run for twice an amount of time - when it could be argued that through said lack of accountability, if anything, a reduction in time seems more appropriate.

And lastly, to insert a 'clause' so as to limit the possible questioning of actions carried out in 'our' name if it is deemed to bring the RA into 'Disrepute' is in my humble opinion, more likily to bring 'disrepute' onto the RA by those that impose it - than any question that is asked in a proper and respectful way - no?

So what to do?

As an international owner, which I believe will help the overall industry in the long run, do I join the RA in the hope that a strong RA with independant free thinkers like me can change?

Or do I throw my hands up- like it seems most of the silent majority do - and hope things will work out as long as the basics are taken care of?

Or is there another way?

Unfortuately, living 6,000 miles away it's hard to get a handle on things - however, I do try to remain positive and for me the glass is always half full.

Respectfully, Jim.

robin bruss is very likely to have the information on total owners to hand

Keep calm Cat, also have a day job!

Good morning all (and the Cat)

I was given a reply on the above subject from Robin Bruss on 3 emails

1) I attach below

2) Tables from Australia in regards to partnership and single owners.

3) A superb article "ECONOMICS OF HORSERACING" SEPT 2008.
from the INTERNATIONAL FEDERATION of HORSERACING AUTHORITIES.

Its a 20 page report on Abode/pdf format, c/w graphics/illustrations and charts, with facts/figures and stats.

I have sent on to Jim and will attempt to post on site.

Thank you to Robin for the feedback

Dave


Hi Dave

The NHA don’t publish this at present because they have migrated their database down to Gold Circle where it is being integrated with their database so as to resolve duplication.

I am in the process of putting together a book to be called the FACT BOOK OF SOUTH AFRICAN RACING AND BREEDING, and have been compiling this with John Becoby for many months.

The rise and fall of owners numbers is an interesting chart which we intend to include. I don’t have the exact figures to hand right now, but my guestimate is around 6,000 owners. The RA has what, about 1400 members in Gauteng. Once I have more specific info, I will forward it to you for onward submission to Jamster. The Fact Book will make interesting reading. We hope to have it published by the end of the year.



Thanks and best regards

Robin

Obtained direct from the British Horseracing Authority for the last year.



1. Number of horses in training in UK

15,083

2. Number of registered owners in UK

17,999 – not necessarily with a horse in training.

3. Cost of ownership in UK (i.e. Average Yearly investment v Yearly Prize Money return in percentage terms)

Approximately £20,000 all in (training fees, vets, transport, riding fees etc).

Owners recover on average 22% of the cost through prizemoney, though this doesn’t take account of the fact that they can recover 17.5% on most costs if they’re covered by the VAT Scheme for Racehorse Owners.

4. Number of runners per year in UK

93,719 total runs from 15083 individual horses in training

5. Number of races per year in UK

1330 meetings took place and 8877 races

Dave and the important thing for us 'foreign' owners in SA - around 60% recovered on the same expenses - which only cost a quarter to begin with!

So there is a HUGE potential untapped market out there in the big wide world.

The only question being will those in a position to do so, show true leadership and make it happen OR miss an excellent opportunity to regenerate the industry?

Respectfully, Jim.

scotia, did you manage to sort the attachments?

according to the IFHA document, return to owners in SA is more than twice what it is in the UK.

I have raced partnership-owned horses for 22 years.

I have "recovered" expenses in 21 of those 22 years.

I can tell you that the "recovery" is NOT the important thing, but recouping one's original investment, which is not mean trick, at any level.

So I humbly submit to you that the greatest drawing card for racing in your country is the cheap price of the animals! This is something that needs to be stressed.

Reasonable expenses are a help, but the low cost of the racehorse is what will get somebody's attention.

I agree 100% Barry.

The value for quality animals is immense! Decently bred youngster go for £5,000 - £10,000 here compared to £50,60,70. . . in UK Ireland!


As for you cat - leave my house (and requiem) alone LOL!

Respectfully Jim.

LOL!

You so Bad Cat!

All the sweeter when she wins by 5!

Anyhoo I supose I should thank you mate as I'll get 6's for a 3/1 shot -

Ouzo Cat - the Milky Bars are on me Dbl-lol!!