Whisky Cavalier- Aftermath P.E. Riots

Tigershark wrote: I don' follow the logic here, is the comparison between 2 legal acts versus a criminal act to try and find some sick idea of justification or mitigation?

So a person poisoning your dog in order to break into your property would be justified as you may have decided at some stage to have your dog euthanized because it was sick or better off put to sleep humanely for whatever reason?

Tigershark, if read Alterego's post again, you will see that he says that those responsible must be charged. There is no disputing that the act is disgusting.

The issue is in the selectiveness in the "outrage".

I still do not understand the point of the question posed?

Do you want people to be outraged in the same manner when a horse is euthanized or breaks down in a race as they are when people criminally attack horses horses causing their death?

Do you want people to react the same to supermarkets selling chickens as they would when some thugs go out and beat chickens to death because they are unhappy? Because they could/would have died anyway?

Tigershark wrote: I still do not understand the point of the question posed?

Do you want people to be outraged in the same manner when a horse is euthanized or breaks down in a race as they are when people criminally attack horses horses causing their death?

Do you want people to react the same to supermarkets selling chickens as they would when some thugs go out and beat chickens to death because they are unhappy? Because they could/would have died anyway?

Do you consume horse meat or dog meat? Why not? If you can answer that you will understand the point?

Tigershark wrote: I still do not understand the point of the question posed?

Do you want people to be outraged in the same manner when a horse is euthanized or breaks down in a race as they are when people criminally attack horses horses causing their death?

Do you want people to react the same to supermarkets selling chickens as they would when some thugs go out and beat chickens to death because they are unhappy? Because they could/would have died anyway?

Of course not. But I do when trainers starve their horses to the brink of death, or owners abandon their horses when they No longer their keep.

Please don't try to paint the horse breeding and racing industry like its all moonlight and roses.

I'll repeat myself, because my point will get lost in the noise. What happened on that day is dispicable.

the thing I find most shocking is that the same people who attacked these horses work with them everyday , surely you must create some sort of bond with the horses being together day in and day out ?

Craig Pienaar wrote: the thing I find most shocking is that the same people who attacked these horses work with them everyday , surely you must create some sort of bond with the horses being together day in and day out ?

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Alterego, your reply is as dippy as the question you pose, i cant figure why your on a horse racing sight.

Lionel, there are legal remedies for both examples you state and if i assume correctly, you want these two examples to be highlighted as much as the incident in PE. Surely then your question should be posed to the relevant operator & NHA? Report the trainer starving their horses as well as the owners not paying.

I am also not the PR for racing however if you know that it is not all "moonlight & roses" why do you keep punting and following the game? Get out the game and campaign for change, take them on.

Phumelela & the NHA were well aware of the situation in PE for months and did nothing, their attention was drawn to safety and security shortfalls at the training center. The question should be asked, does the inaction of the operator (owner of the training center & landlord) and regulator amount to blatant negligence?

The inaction of the operator, regulator as well as the SAPS speaks volumes. The correct legal channels and remedies were followed wit the grooms however "mystery criminals" appeared, not grooms apparently, and released, beat, hacked and caused the death of horses as well as damage to property.

It would seem from the outside that many of the investigations and sanctions currently within racing are not consistent and I am sure that this is about to be tested legally or at least should be.

Tigershark, referring to your comment, "... however if you know that it is not all "moonlight & roses" why do you keep punting and following the game? Get out the game and campaign for change, take them on".

With all due respect, this is a weak argument. It's like saying, if you oppose child labor, then go out and investigate all incidences of child labor and raise awareness of it.

I'm certain that if there is a poll, ~100% of people would be opposed to child labor. But how many would do/are doing anything about it?

Using the same hypothetical scenario above, would the sentiment against child labor differ if the circumstances surrounding it change, for instance, if some countries legalize it?

If one were an activist, would one only address the issue in countries where it is still illegal?

Lionel, i must apologize for digressing with comparisons and will stick to my original opinion regarding the question/opinion you and Alterego posed/share.

"we choose to turn a blind eye to the culling of horses for financial reasons"

"a comparison of horse deaths, culling vs on race tracks vs rioting" , "is the outrage due to love for the animal or hatred for the perpetrators"

I fundamentally disagree with the opinions and questions above as two of the three examples given are not illegal in South Africa. I am directly opposed and equally outraged by the criminal acts perpetrated by criminals that lead to the death of the horses. I also disagree with the insinuation that people may just be up in arms because of who the perpetrators are rather than the acts committed. I see all criminals and their acts in the same light.

Tigershark, the insinuation was not directed at anyone in particular. I don't know anyone here personally to have an opinion on what their motivation is.

My question was to initiate a bit of self reflection (for those that are able to), that's all.

Take the Robinson issue. Not all Indians labelled him as a racist. I certainly didn't as I don't know him personally. People say and do all sorts of things when they are angry. That does not define who they are.

Some people manage their anger better than others.

I do agree that the people who commit those acts of violence in PE need to be held accountable, because what they did was wrong, and it was illegal. Irrespective of whether there were animals involved or not. Irrespective of whether you love horses or not.

Alterego you are so right and it is a very sick aspect of Racing . I had a Trainer which told me it is no problem to induce colic and let the horse die and collect the insurance money so I stopped insuring my horses .

Debi wrote: Alterego you are so right and it is a very sick aspect of Racing . I had a Trainer which told me it is no problem to induce colic and let the horse die and collect the insurance money so I stopped insuring my horses .

Disgusting savages. You should name and shame him, for the love of the horses.