Re:Greyville Poly, 5 October
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Re: Greyville Poly, 5 October
4 years 8 months ago
There is a voice message going around whatsapp, the Trainers are livid, saying the meeting shuld never have been abandoned ..
Basically saying what punters are saying that none of these Jocks have ever ridden on or fell on a dangerous track in their lives... And the Jocks are destroying racing
Basically saying what punters are saying that none of these Jocks have ever ridden on or fell on a dangerous track in their lives... And the Jocks are destroying racing
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Re: Greyville Poly, 5 October
4 years 8 months agoMuhtiman wrote: .....and I was once of the opinion that a polytrack at PE was not a good idea....and that track has saved many a more meetings than Greyville poly will ever do.....and yes the rainfall on the KZN coast is much much higher than that of PE
but these tracks are supposed to be designed to drain and not retain water.....I remember a greyville meeting where water was pooling on the surface and the track had to be harrowed over and over to break the surface "matting" effect to get the water to drain....something amiss with the Greyville poly on the drainage and substrate composition that they cannot seem to get right....
......I believe that with a bit of effort harrowing the water logged poly from early this morning could have made the track race able...poly unlike turf tends to firm up when wet but does not become dangerously hard nor uneven...:whistle:
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Re: Greyville Poly, 5 October
4 years 8 months agoDoyen wrote: hi All
There has been a lot of mild,steady rain in Durbs,hence safety first,abandoned.
Check the pic in the SP of MJB lying injured on his back,in normal conditions.
riding would have been detrimental for jocks in these adverse conditions.
As D Scott said,more time to prep for the next Poly.
Some 'research' for the avid punters.
appreciate any feedback on r2#1 last two runs
MJ's horse had a heart attack, most accidents happen when a horse have a heart attack, broken leg or by jockey error. When last did you see an accident caused by the surface, sometimes maby a broken leg but I think it will rather happen on a hard track. Does the jockeys get paid their riding fees if a meeting is cancelled?
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Re: Re:Greyville Poly, 5 October
4 years 8 months agoNot sure if the jockeys get paid. Maybe some trainers can tell us.Charl wrote:Doyen wrote: hi All
There has been a lot of mild,steady rain in Durbs,hence safety first,abandoned.
Check the pic in the SP of MJB lying injured on his back,in normal conditions.
riding would have been detrimental for jocks in these adverse conditions.
As D Scott said,more time to prep for the next Poly.
Some 'research' for the avid punters.
appreciate any feedback on r2#1 last two runs
MJ's horse had a heart attack, most accidents happen when a horse have a heart attack, broken leg or by jockey error. When last did you see an accident caused by the surface, sometimes maby a broken leg but I think it will rather happen on a hard track. Does the jockeys get paid their riding fees if a meeting is cancelled?
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Re: Re:Greyville Poly, 5 October
4 years 8 months ago
Not sure it is all the jockeys that are unwilling to ride in those conditions.
I would say it's the senior jocks protesting and the youngsters know better than to go against them.
They just have to shut up and go with the flow or else they know they gonna be given a hard time in future.
I'm sure there's some fearless jocks out there but it's not in their best intentions to go against the more experienced jockeys.
I would say it's the senior jocks protesting and the youngsters know better than to go against them.
They just have to shut up and go with the flow or else they know they gonna be given a hard time in future.
I'm sure there's some fearless jocks out there but it's not in their best intentions to go against the more experienced jockeys.
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Re: Greyville Poly, 5 October
4 years 8 months agoBATMAN wrote:Doyen wrote: hi All
There has been a lot of mild,steady rain in Durbs,hence safety first,abandoned.
Check the pic in the SP of MJB lying injured on his back,in normal conditions.
riding would have been detrimental for jocks in these adverse conditions.
As D Scott said,more time to prep for the next Poly.
Some 'research' for the avid punters.
appreciate any feedback on r2#1 last two runs
If you see the stipes report in the one race that was run, there wasnt any horses that pulled up lame or striding short aswell as there were no incidents report during the race which one hardly has in racing. I wonder how some of these jockeys would have survived 10-15 years ago where they raced in pouring rain on very heavy tracks. This is where we used to get certain horses that were mudlarks. Miss that racing
I do remember heavy downpours back in the 80's where the commentators could not even see the jockey silks and gave us walking commentary with a mention that he should be able to pick them up again at around the 200m marker. I know it is not anything close compared to what happened yesterday but jislaaik, those were the days my friends.
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Re: Re:Greyville Poly, 5 October
4 years 8 months agoJackson wrote:Not sure if the jockeys get paid. Maybe some trainers can tell us.Charl wrote:Doyen wrote: hi All
There has been a lot of mild,steady rain in Durbs,hence safety first,abandoned.
Check the pic in the SP of MJB lying injured on his back,in normal conditions.
riding would have been detrimental for jocks in these adverse conditions.
As D Scott said,more time to prep for the next Poly.
Some 'research' for the avid punters.
appreciate any feedback on r2#1 last two runs
MJ's horse had a heart attack, most accidents happen when a horse have a heart attack, broken leg or by jockey error. When last did you see an accident caused by the surface, sometimes maby a broken leg but I think it will rather happen on a hard track. Does the jockeys get paid their riding fees if a meeting is cancelled?
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No jockeys only get paid if they weigh out - So the ONLY LOGICAL REASON is that the Riders do not wish to risk their lives(forget the horse) on an unsafe track - Perhaps the reason so few jocks or horses are not injured is that the Senior Jocks apply their experience to conditions and protest - Sensibility and experience saves lives -
Perhaps it is because I am older now but I don't care if a meeting is abandoned so long as no horse or rider is injured unnecessary just because racing feeds my "ADDICTION"- Perhaps punters should take a look at their personal gambling habits when they get furious when jocks won't ride (I admit that years ago when I was under 30 I would get mad if racing was stopped until I realized that nobody ever died because of a postponed or abandoned meeting and tomorrow is another day to punt again )
Punters and Owners should look past the Riders and rather ask the track managers and Operators why they have such poor quality tracks and such an obviously insular approach to track preparation and consultation(extreme arrogance perhaps) - Jockeys should however take a proper proactive stance and nominate a senior Jockey to sign off on a track with a stipe and trainer at 10 am every morning when a track is to be used
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Re: Re:Greyville Poly, 5 October
4 years 8 months agomr hawaii wrote:Jackson wrote:Not sure if the jockeys get paid. Maybe some trainers can tell us.Charl wrote:Doyen wrote: hi All
There has been a lot of mild,steady rain in Durbs,hence safety first,abandoned.
Check the pic in the SP of MJB lying injured on his back,in normal conditions.
riding would have been detrimental for jocks in these adverse conditions.
As D Scott said,more time to prep for the next Poly.
Some 'research' for the avid punters.
appreciate any feedback on r2#1 last two runs
MJ's horse had a heart attack, most accidents happen when a horse have a heart attack, broken leg or by jockey error. When last did you see an accident caused by the surface, sometimes maby a broken leg but I think it will rather happen on a hard track. Does the jockeys get paid their riding fees if a meeting is cancelled?
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No jockeys only get paid if they weigh out - So the ONLY LOGICAL REASON is that the Riders do not wish to risk their lives(forget the horse) on an unsafe track - Perhaps the reason so few jocks or horses are not injured is that the Senior Jocks apply their experience to conditions and protest - Sensibility and experience saves lives -
Perhaps it is because I am older now but I don't care if a meeting is abandoned so long as no horse or rider is injured unnecessary just because racing feeds my "ADDICTION"- Perhaps punters should take a look at their personal gambling habits when they get furious when jocks won't ride (I admit that years ago when I was under 30 I would get mad if racing was stopped until I realized that nobody ever died because of a postponed or abandoned meeting and tomorrow is another day to punt again )
Punters and Owners should look past the Riders and rather ask the track managers and Operators why they have such poor quality tracks and such an obviously insular approach to track preparation and consultation(extreme arrogance perhaps) - Jockeys should however take a proper proactive stance and nominate a senior Jockey to sign off on a track with a stipe and trainer at 10 am every morning when a track is to be used
Perhaps if they do not wish to risk their lives they must get another job.
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Re: Re:Greyville Poly, 5 October
4 years 8 months ago
What I'm saying is that its a dangerous job no mather the track conditions, and I doubt it that a wet track (all weather track) is more dangerous than some jockeys decisions in a race. And also in what conditions does horses breakdown the most? Because I have never seen horses just falling over on a wet track. But the blame will as always in South Africa be shifted somewhere else like on someones gambling addiction.
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Re: Re:Greyville Poly, 5 October
4 years 8 months agoCharl wrote:mr hawaii wrote:Jackson wrote:Not sure if the jockeys get paid. Maybe some trainers can tell us.Charl wrote:Doyen wrote: hi All
There has been a lot of mild,steady rain in Durbs,hence safety first,abandoned.
Check the pic in the SP of MJB lying injured on his back,in normal conditions.
riding would have been detrimental for jocks in these adverse conditions.
As D Scott said,more time to prep for the next Poly.
Some 'research' for the avid punters.
appreciate any feedback on r2#1 last two runs
MJ's horse had a heart attack, most accidents happen when a horse have a heart attack, broken leg or by jockey error. When last did you see an accident caused by the surface, sometimes maby a broken leg but I think it will rather happen on a hard track. Does the jockeys get paid their riding fees if a meeting is cancelled?
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No jockeys only get paid if they weigh out - So the ONLY LOGICAL REASON is that the Riders do not wish to risk their lives(forget the horse) on an unsafe track - Perhaps the reason so few jocks or horses are not injured is that the Senior Jocks apply their experience to conditions and protest - Sensibility and experience saves lives -
Perhaps it is because I am older now but I don't care if a meeting is abandoned so long as no horse or rider is injured unnecessary just because racing feeds my "ADDICTION"- Perhaps punters should take a look at their personal gambling habits when they get furious when jocks won't ride (I admit that years ago when I was under 30 I would get mad if racing was stopped until I realized that nobody ever died because of a postponed or abandoned meeting and tomorrow is another day to punt again )
Punters and Owners should look past the Riders and rather ask the track managers and Operators why they have such poor quality tracks and such an obviously insular approach to track preparation and consultation(extreme arrogance perhaps) - Jockeys should however take a proper proactive stance and nominate a senior Jockey to sign off on a track with a stipe and trainer at 10 am every morning when a track is to be used
Perhaps if they do not wish to risk their lives they must get another job.
If you have ever seen a training track in the morning then you will know that Jockeys and workriders/grooms risk their lives every day before they even start a race(go and check on Jocks /workriders injured at track - Really so now because they won't ride if they feel unsafe they must find another profession? So if a boxer does not want to box because t5he ring is badly constructed or the ropes are loose then they must also find another job? Do you remember this Jock... Anthony Delpech? And this other guy Gunter Wrogeman and this appie Majoka who almost lost his life and that Cape Jock Cheyne who walked around in crutches for ages and MJ .....Now look around your OFFICE and count how many of your co-workers stopped working because of a work related injury
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Re: Re:Greyville Poly, 5 October
4 years 8 months ago
I see your point mr h, delpech and all the other jocks got injured because it rained, NO they got injured in totally other circumstances, got nothing to do with rain on an allweather track.
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Re: Re:Greyville Poly, 5 October
4 years 8 months ago - 4 years 8 months agoCharl wrote: I see your point mr h, delpech and all the other jocks got injured because it rained, NO they got injured in totally other circumstances, got nothing to do with rain on an allweather track.
I don't see your point - How many jockeys have been killed by lightning? I don't know of one but we stop for lightning because we know it kills- Now when jockeys are told to ride 4 wide around the bend that's ok ? When they say the ground is uneven then they must just ride - What reason on earth would a jockey not want to ride especially when stakes are so low that riding fees are now super important as income -
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