Please don't kill those yellow insect eaters

Muhtiman wrote: ....once upon a time we had 10-20 casual workers replacing divots between each race on every track in the land.....:dry:

Once upon a time people had a work ethic and did what they were paid to do
Now days they only arrive because they will get a pay check...work has fluff all to do it

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Len Sham wrote: If it's the person's or team responsibility to check the condition of track between races a solution can be found... problem is Phumelela,s and no one else,s or whoever they appoint to do it.

Again, who can guarantee nothing changes after that inspection has passed?

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So in other words u trying to say that this is not because we have cut down on maintenance of tracks and it's no ones responsibility at the highest level to ensure we race on approved tracks then say we dealing with Nature for all these track stuff ups ... the work ethic you say exists is from the top down and not from the bottom up.

I'm saying, who ever can guarantee what nature can or will do, is a brave person! No human has that foresight!

But from a trainer's perspective im sure it's an easy out to blame the authorities when their fancied runner does not perform. What do they say, " the best form of defense is attack"!

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Len Sham wrote: So in other words u trying to say that this is not because we have cut down on maintenance of tracks and it's no ones responsibility at the highest level to ensure we race on approved tracks then say we dealing with Nature for all these track stuff ups ... the work ethic you say exists is from the top down and not from the bottom up.

You mention track stuff ups.

What about trainer stuff ups? Or don't they count for the betting public....

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Your dislike of trainers is evident but take it up with who you have a problem ... but dont try and take away the track stuff ups from those responsible namely Phumelela

Yip, and betting public need to start asking more about trainers excuses!

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dilligaf wrote:

Len Sham wrote: If it's the person's or team responsibility to check the condition of track between races a solution can be found... problem is Phumelela,s and no one else,s or whoever they appoint to do it.

Again, who can guarantee nothing changes after that inspection has passed?

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.....had they been doing diligent track inspections from the outset then these problems would not have manifested so badly now..... .there have been problems for over 2 years yet still minimal inspections and a WSB sponsored race day was scuppered back then.....as a catch up to get back on track(excuse the pun)...... on non race days and as part of maintenance projects ..... have a picket line/s with metal rods to probe the whole course to test for sub surface voids and and cavities.....then there would be at least a possibility of addressing the issue of the guarantee to make the tracks safer....:huh:

Seems to me that mr dilligaf could be a member of the government - expertly deflecting the issue as referenced in this thread :huh:

dilligaf wrote:

Muhtiman wrote: ....once upon a time we had 10-20 casual workers replacing divots between each race on every track in the land.....:dry:

Once upon a time people had a work ethic and did what they were paid to do
Now days they only arrive because they will get a pay check...work has fluff all to do it

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What a load of bull. Ever heard of supervision?

Muhtiman, all they have to do is get hold of Landpac (JHB based comp; Craig is the contact person 011-8146407) and hire one of their deep impact compactors. One trip around the track will expose any voids, I think, up to 2m deep. There might be some grass damage but the voids will be found. This "honeycomb" phenomenon is fairly common in the area, if that's what the problem is. This whole thread sounds like deja-vu to me I'm sure I have had this discussion with Louis G some years back.

neigh wrote: Muhtiman, all they have to do is get hold of Landpac (JHB based comp; Craig is the contact person 011-8146407) and hire one of their deep impact compactors. One trip around the track will expose any voids, I think, up to 2m deep. There might be some grass damage but the voids will be found. This "honeycomb" phenomenon is fairly common in the area, if that's what the problem is. This whole thread sounds like deja-vu to me I'm sure I have had this discussion with Louis G some years back.

.....lets hope that the oke that spent many many months in the UK actually reads this site and gets a solution once and for all without totally wiping out the biosphere.....:huh: