Why its failing

The attitude on the other thread perfectly sums up racings current failures.

We the fans (punters-owners) are considered misinformed by the pro's (trainers-jockeys-breeders)

What they don't get is that with ENGAGEMENT come respect and dialogue.

When Lauree and Jean had a winner they were mobbed by fans from all colours and backgrounds
When Sangster came to SA he was cheered when is horses won
When the Becks had a winner we applauded him and cheered his progeny into the winners box

and many more

When Pierre rode 4 we went mental
When Jeff rode a winner 100's followed him to the winners box


The the corporate machine came to town. They quickly started dividing and conquering.

I can honestly hand on heart say that even before this scandal broke with Jooste. I have never felt a connection to him and or his horses. When Tara wins 4 races for him even before the scandal it did not have the same impact as Mr Jafee having 4 winners on a card. When Ramsden wins the Queens plate i feel nothing. Yet when Terrence Millard won the Queens plate it was euphoria even if we were on the wrong horse or indeed another horse in the race we loved it. We felt connected.

Lots of truth in your post Easy. Perhaps the "pro's " as you call them, are in the same boat....maybe they are also feeling a lack of passion, just maybe not enjoying the game that much anymore.....
Could be food for thought....

Look,it's near xmas.
Can't we have a day off today,lets have a day of merriment.When I return from the battle cruiser I'm expecting joy and happiness.

Easy u said it 100 % I remember in my youth ( years ago ) couldn't wait to see Laurie Jaffee winner I backed, or remember Tony Factor from all those years ago...... Mrs. O & the Becks included.

couldn't wait to join the hundreds of supporters at the winners box,,,,,, BEHIND the Grandstand, in the old days.

those were the days when we cheered home the winners & couldn't wait to see Jeoff, Sasso brothers, Basil & co, unsaddle in the winners box.

It's just not like that today...... sadly. If I fluke a winner these days its, me. wife & co. partners in the horse thats there to greet us..... that's all :evil:

Tops Easy.Well said .SO 2 DOWN HOW MANY MORE TO FOLLOW(AVV & MJ)

Pulse wrote: Tops Easy.Well said .SO 2 DOWN HOW MANY MORE TO FOLLOW(AVV & MJ)

I'm not sure I understand why some punters(and a section of Racing insiders) have such a dislike for these owners - Is it because they came across as aloof and brash? Is it because they went into Racing flashing cash and overspending(let's not forget how MJ imported so many from Aus in the early years and VV was like a trust fund baby shopping at Tiffany's when it came to buying horses) - I recall having major respect for Messers Beck, Jaffee Oppenheimer etc but I could never really take to Dr Podlas or Saltzman - I don't know the answer but I do know many people in the Industry predicted that both these people would at some stage leave the game.. As an aside Andre Macdonald was an owner in recent times that I thought connected with the public - When his Igugu won you could see the passion and even if you backed to beat her you could never begrudge the win - Jessica Slack(Jell) is similar to that - real connection with her horses and it shows

I think it's a combination of things,, firstly gut feel and mostly because of the invisable structure we all understand as in the join the dots thread,, granted most is speculative but a lot isn't and there is probably more we don't even realise but the clique that emerged using his name for back up doing as they pleased with racing is what got to me,, the corprate gangersterism that still needs to be looked into and broken,, that they are destructive is the problem ,, always remember victims like Shaeen Shaw,, Andrew Bon and others,, racing suffers while they feather their own nests,, self serving abusers must be weeded out, racing can't afford them

Nail on Head Mr H

Easy that post is 100% correct.. the owners and punters ensure the racing industry survives.. the fact that we pay pay pay with very little information coming our way is unacceptable and will be the death of the industry.. it is clear that those who call trainers on a daily basis as regards their horses are beneficiaries of more information than those that don't.. being an owner of a racehorse is nowadays seen as being some type of crook.. this industry is unsustainable and I will leave it at that.

mister a wrote: I think it's a combination of things,, firstly gut feel and mostly because of the invisable structure we all understand as in the join the dots thread,, granted most is speculative but a lot isn't and there is probably more we don't even realise but the clique that emerged using his name for back up doing as they pleased with racing is what got to me,, the corprate gangersterism that still needs to be looked into and broken,, that they are destructive is the problem ,, always remember victims like Shaeen Shaw,, Andrew Bon and others,, racing suffers while they feather their own nests,, self serving abusers must be weeded out, racing can't afford them

That's it for me - I cannot tell you how many people within the Industry(at the very top of Racing) I asked about the "computer program" VV invented - They all dodged the question buy my GUT (and many many google searches over years) just did not buy the "tread lightly - he's got bombs" story -