SA vs Aus - 2nd Test match

chicken 'n chips Wrote:

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> where about in Australia do you come from
> Heinrich?


Only saw this now....hahahaha

I have not been watching the action. BUT we can easily get to 350 if the batsmen keep their cool. AB is the key, JP will add another 35 or so and then the tail will wag, as it always does at St Georges. Tail enders show up the batsmen. I have gone with the draw, but 350+ will see SA in a very strong position in this test match. I would hate to bat last on this dead pitch

Haupie Wrote:

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> I have not been watching the action. BUT we can
> easily get to 350 if the batsmen keep their cool.
> AB is the key, JP will add another 35 or so and
> then the tail will wag, as it always does at St
> Georges. Tail enders show up the batsmen. I have
> gone with the draw, but 350+ will see SA in a very
> strong position in this test match. I would hate
> to bat last on this dead pitch

350+ on this wicket would be very competitive, however, this inhibition to play a recognised spinner could be regrettable - time will tell. The pitch is flat and I don't think pace bowling is the answer. See the Aussies have played their spinner and two part time spinners have come into play. With spin the batsmen have to work twice as hard to get the ball off the square on flat tracks, so I would imagine today their three spinners will bowl many overs. Lets see what happens.

bayern Wrote:

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> Haupie Wrote:
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> > I have not been watching the action. BUT we can
> > easily get to 350 if the batsmen keep their
> cool.
> > AB is the key, JP will add another 35 or so and
> > then the tail will wag, as it always does at St
> > Georges. Tail enders show up the batsmen. I
> have
> > gone with the draw, but 350+ will see SA in a
> very
> > strong position in this test match. I would
> hate
> > to bat last on this dead pitch
>
> 350+ on this wicket would be very competitive,
> however, this inhibition to play a recognised
> spinner could be regrettable - time will tell. The
> pitch is flat and I don't think pace bowling is
> the answer. See the Aussies have played their
> spinner and two part time spinners have come into
> play. With spin the batsmen have to work twice as
> hard to get the ball off the square on flat
> tracks, so I would imagine today their three
> spinners will bowl many overs. Lets see what
> happens.


I agree on the spinning angle - pitch was turning yesterday already, so Tahir should have been in the team and not Parnell - why can't our selectors 'sum up' a pitch before they pick the final team :S

I feel a result in this match hinges on how aggressive Clarke will be. We all know that he is an aggressive captain who looks for results but being 1-0 up in the series he might be satisfied with a draw. THe first hour today will be crucial against the new ball and hopefully can be no more than 6 or 7 down at lunch.

Will struggle to get to 275 now with the new ball due .

de Kock gifted his wicket must learn its test cricket not dam T20.

The selectors , no spinner on a slow pitch ,will they ever get it right .

IMO what negative Cricket we played with a run rate of 2.57 runs per over on a flatish pitch, even the flambouyant AB has a strike rate of 40.5 (2.4 r/o). Do we expect younsters and the Bowlers to do the job, I say take the Captaincy away from the dour and very predictable GS.

I watched between Races and QdK had 5 off 5 balls and when I came back he was out for 7 off 17 balls, therefore scoring 2 off 12 balls. It is imperative that on a slow wicket singles are taken regularly and not just defense and then a big shot. Well I suppose that the world NUMBER ONE team will again LEARN from their mistakes and bad decisions, when will they put start putting ALL these learning experiences into pratice, hopefully before they retire.

fogwils Wrote:

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> IMO what negative Cricket we played with a run
> rate of 2.57 runs per over on a flatish pitch,
> even the flambouyant AB has a strike rate of 40.5
> (2.4 r/o). Do we expect younsters and the Bowlers
> to do the job, I say take the Captaincy away from
> the dour and very predictable GS.
>
> I watched between Races and QdK had 5 off 5 balls
> and when I came back he was out for 7 off 17
> balls, therefore scoring 2 off 12 balls. It is
> imperative that on a slow wicket singles are taken
> regularly and not just defense and then a big
> shot. Well I suppose that the world NUMBER ONE
> team will again LEARN from their mistakes and bad
> decisions, when will they put start putting ALL
> these learning experiences into pratice, hopefully
> before they retire.


I think the pitch has a lot to do with it - Elgar said it was the slowest St Georges' pitch that he has ever played on - but let's see what the Aussies can do on it

I would like to see Morkel bowl a bit fuller.....just a general comment i wanted to put out there some time ago.........yes chaps, i know we not even bowling yet

Even on the flattest of wickets, our best spinner (whoever that is) is not going to run through the opposition's batting OR keep the run-rate down to apply pressure...Paul Harris was the most consistent at applying pressure and tying up an end but almost all the others we have had / tried do not take many wickets or bowl too many maidens...

Our strength has and (with the wickets we have) will likely for the near future be in pace bowling...why do we want a spinner in the team ?...is it because we think it's the right make-up of a test team or ensures that all bases / circumstances are covered?...it is a luxury we cannot afford...every team wants a Warne or a Murilitharan or Kumble...we haven't come close to having a Swann-level spinner in the last 20 years and rather some-one emerging and running through teams at franchise level and then getting into the test team, we want our spinner to develop at test level...

In all sports, if we try to emulate the manner in which our opposition plays, we will never beat them because their "style" is based on their best players and strengths...we need to play to our strengths based on the best players we have...

Frodo Wrote:

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> fogwils Wrote:
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> > IMO what negative Cricket we played with a run
> > rate of 2.57 runs per over on a flatish pitch,
> > even the flambouyant AB has a strike rate of
> 40.5
> > (2.4 r/o). Do we expect younsters and the
> Bowlers
> > to do the job, I say take the Captaincy away
> from
> > the dour and very predictable GS.
> >
> > I watched between Races and QdK had 5 off 5
> balls
> > and when I came back he was out for 7 off 17
> > balls, therefore scoring 2 off 12 balls. It is
> > imperative that on a slow wicket singles are
> taken
> > regularly and not just defense and then a big
> > shot. Well I suppose that the world NUMBER ONE
> > team will again LEARN from their mistakes and
> bad
> > decisions, when will they put start putting ALL
> > these learning experiences into pratice,
> hopefully
> > before they retire.
>
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> I think the pitch has a lot to do with it - Elgar
> said it was the slowest St Georges' pitch that he
> has ever played on - but let's see what the
> Aussies can do on it

Also very good captaincy by Clarke , fielders in close not allowing any singles , making the batsmen go for the boundaries.

TNaicker Wrote:

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> Even on the flattest of wickets, our best spinner
> (whoever that is) is not going to run through the
> opposition's batting OR keep the run-rate down to
> apply pressure...Paul Harris was the most
> consistent at applying pressure and tying up an
> end but almost all the others we have had / tried
> do not take many wickets or bowl too many
> maidens...
>
> Our strength has and (with the wickets we have)
> will likely for the near future be in pace
> bowling...why do we want a spinner in the team
> ?...is it because we think it's the right make-up
> of a test team or ensures that all bases /
> circumstances are covered?...it is a luxury we
> cannot afford...every team wants a Warne or a
> Murilitharan or Kumble...we haven't come close to
> having a Swann-level spinner in the last 20 years
> and rather some-one emerging and running through
> teams at franchise level and then getting into the
> test team, we want our spinner to develop at test
> level...
>
> In all sports, if we try to emulate the manner in
> which our opposition plays, we will never beat
> them because their "style" is based on their best
> players and strengths...we need to play to our
> strengths based on the best players we have...


I don't agree with a pace attack at all times - a pitch like St Georges leans itself to spin bowling, so you have to have at least one spinner in the side - yes we lack a quality spinner, but at St Georges in my view any spinner will do better than someone like Parnell - and Tahir should have been used as an attacking option - would have taken the odd wicket when getting the ball in the right place - yes he might have conceded 4 runs an over, but the seamers from the other should be able to keep it tight - so I think we missed a trick seeing that we need to win the test - a draw is only good for the Aussies :S