Scottsville 14/8/2013

rob faux Wrote:

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> Think about the application of that
> ruling..............conclusion:any 3yr old that
> ran in open company has 6 lbs more ability than
> one that didn't.............what kind of cuckoo's
> nest did this lot fall out of.


I think the idea was if a then 2 year old ran against an older horse prior to 1 August and ratings were established , if and when they met again after 1 August the 6 pound increase had to apply to both for the ratings to make sense .

Rob,

all horses across the board have been raised 6 MR points bar PE.

So Garibondy got 7 points for last win,goes from an 80 to an 87,then 6 points added to all horses,a 93 now.

7 pts for her last win seems appropriate considering the consumate ease of victory,so nothing untoward here.

rob faux Wrote:

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> Think about the application of that
> ruling..............conclusion:any 3yr old that
> ran in open company has 6 lbs more ability than
> one that didn't.............what kind of cuckoo's
> nest did this lot fall out of.


this is an absurd ruling...generally and i stress generally..towards june july its easier to win in open company than it is to win in a juvenile race...the 3 and 4 year olds are pretty much in their place by then...and the good 2 year olds are just about coming thru...so to get an extra 6 points...when infact the oppisition is not all that great is absurd to say the least

Rob,

I don't think your conclusion about Dolomiti is right.It won last season,so how can there be a 4 year old cap on it,it only turned 4 on 1 Aug.

Race 5 looks like a minefield to me. Think one of the 3 year olds to win.

Confused ny the weights though: why does mares 5 and 6, two five year olds, carry less weight than lower rated 4 year olds?

Can someone explain why lonesome dove never incurred the 6pt penalty

Tim and Jap,lets forget the merits of the specific horse for a minute and look at the theory:

a)Horses A and B meet as 2yr olds,at level weights and are separated by a short head
b) in July horse A runs UNPLACED in open company so becomes liable to the automatic 6 points merely for competing
c)they meet in Aug and suddenly horse A has to concede horse B 3kg

How do you make sense of that?

Hi guys
Spiaggia and love you madly...

Good punting

Rob,

all horses across the whole crop,irrespective of age have been raised 6 points in MR.It has nothing to do with when they last raced,I think it came into effect 1 Aug.

This has something to do with being on a par with international ratings.

Not sure why you are confused about this?

I'm actually wrong about when it happened I think,don't think 1 Aug was the date.

Look at Dodge City,race 7.Ran on 6 Aug off a 64,now a 70.

All horses are up 6 pts in MR,that's all I know for sure.

JTL Wrote:

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> Can someone explain why lonesome dove never
> incurred the 6pt penalty

I woul guess it was dropped six points because of its last two bad runs, so with the 6 point bump the MR stayed the same...

rob faux Wrote:

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> Would one of the forum handicappers straighten me
> out please:
>
> How in earth can Garibondy (a 2yr old turned 3 )
> go from a rating of 80 to 93 after winning a
> handicap(not under sufferance)
>
> (I thought 8 points was max.............and
> coincidentally I rated the run at 88 anyway)
>
> I think that Elusive Spirit's (another 3 yr old )
> rating is also a bit harsh
>
> Have I misunderstood ?

Rob, my guess is, because Garibondy had won a handicap as a two year old she was also given the six point raise in line with the older horses. If she wasn't she would have in effect only have been given a 1 point penalty for her win.