Tellytrack Presenters & The MR System

There are a few presenters who post on here now.Some of you have requested constructive criticism.Here is a simple 1: Please learn how the MR system works so that you can stop making fundamental mistakes when you discuss a race.A horse is not well in when it is a 2 time winner and is receiving weight from 1 time winners in a handicap.Similarly a 10 time winner is not well in when it is receiving weight from a 1 time winner in a handicap.It is simply running off the handicap mark that the handicapper assesses it's ability to be.That does not mean that the 10 time winner won't win the race,but IT IS NOT WELL IN simply because it is a 10 time winner.

I have attached the handicapping guidelines for SA racing for all to read.Us punters are supposed to be the stupid ones who don't understand the handicapping system.Presenters are there to help educate the uneducated,but it seems to me that many presenters do not have a basic understanding of how the system works.

Attached files Handicapping_Guidelines.pdf (316.4 KB)Â

Justanotherpunter Wrote:

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> There are a few presenters who post on here
> now.Some of you have requested constructive
> criticism.Here is a simple 1: Please learn how the
> MR system works so that you can stop making
> fundamental mistakes when you discuss a race.A
> horse is not well in when it is a 2 time winner
> and is receiving weight from 1 time winners in a
> handicap.Similarly a 10 time winner is not well in
> when it is receiving weight from a 1 time winner
> in a handicap.It is simply running of the handicap
> mark that the handicapper assesses it's ability to
> be.That does not mean that the 10 time winner
> won't win the race,but IT NOT WELL IN simply
> because it is a 10 time winner.
>
> I have attached the handicapping guidelines for SA
> racing for all to read.Us punters are supposed to
> be the stupid ones who don't understand the
> handicapping system.Presenters are there to help
> educate the uneducated,but it seems to me that
> many presenters do not have a basic understanding
> of how the system works.

AMEN

knowledge is not part of the job criteria..well atleast it falls behind the "who you know" and "wannabee comic" criteria...

2 cents seems to be on our screens less and less..which has resulted in the more frequent use of my mute button><

I remember last week listening to Laff preview a Maiden Juvenile Plates, he was talking about horses in the race being "better than their rating". Not one horse in the race had a rating?

I am not trying to be stinging in my criticism,I just think that it's unfair to punters to have to listen to presenters who don't have a proper understanding of what they are talking about.We all make mistakes,but clearly many of them have never tried to fully understand the system.This is not a case of misunderstanding the intricacies of handicapping,but rather not understanding the fundamentals.A little effort would go a long way.

JAP to be fair there is no description of "well-in" in the document you attached and I am almost sure that's not where you learned it. Not having a go at you, my point is: that type of info (proper definition of the MR system) is not available in the public domain....

Jap , i specifically said ' The MR is what counts ' but it is worth lnowing that he is the only 2 x winner in the race '. Quote , unquote.
Never once said ' well in ". Cheers anyway.

The mr rating is not that difficult every race will show you every 2 3 and4 yr old allowance they get above in your computaform then deduct that from ther mr rating and you will get their net rating every month it changes good tip always include a horse with a high net mr rating in a novice graduation progress and allowance plate

Gavinv Wrote:

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> The mr rating is not that difficult every race
> will show you every 2 3 and4 yr old allowance they
> get above in your computaform then deduct that
> from ther mr rating and you will get their net
> rating every month it changes good tip always
> include a horse with a high net mr rating in a
> novice graduation progress and allowance plate


unfortunately 2% of people understand wfa allowances and net ratings gavinv..and this is why people think young horses are highly overated..they see the "86" in the mr column after winning on debut but dont realise it has a 16 pound wfa allowance..making it a net 70..which is the rating it is weighted off in handicaps..70 for a debut winner is obviously not high

I have 1 simple point here.The people who present on tv should have a greater understanding of the game than the average punter.At times I simply cannot believe what presenters say.It is indicative of their lack of knowledege.

There is one presenter who continues to think that a horse that has(for example) a net rating of 56 as a 5 year old mare is a big runner today because it's back in a maiden plate after just having run in a handicap.IT IS MUCH HARDER FOR A HORSE OF SUCH ABILITY TO WIN A MAIDEN THAN TO WIN A HANDICAP.

I'm not trying to be nasty,but seriously this stuff is not rocket science,I mean surely as a presenter you'd like to do the best job possible.My point is that an understanding of the basics is probably the best place to start.

2 Oceans,

1st of all Kind Lady is a she.

Secondly,what is your point about ' but it is worth lnowing that he is the only 2 x winner in the race '.It is totally irrelevant!Why should the fact that a horse has won 2 races in 60 starts be a relevant fact?

Does the fact that Hear The Drums won 30 odd races make him a better horse than a 1 time winner with a MR of 125?