Does breeding a champion to a champion really breed a champ

anybody been able to find the breeding for EVER FAIR?

Since the advent of computers it has been ever so easy to find almost anything....Ever Fair was not particularly fashionably bred as his sire Fellowship a 10 time winner was like Sea Cottage a son of Fairthorn but did not have any of Sea Cottage's credentials...:S

it this was so easy then why do the brother and sister of champs mostly not be champs to

....looking up peds on computer is easy....no one said breeding was easy.....to those with limited vision-think that breeding to family breeds familarity....well related and well bred is not the same thing.......case in point Pierre Jordaan's siblings were scrapping out in e division company in PE...so that family thing does not always work...it was finding the right sire that would make the pedigree fire...but if you took mare back to Parade Leader you will not be guarenteed another champ.....because we are never identical to our siblings and although we and our siblings have common genetics(DNA).... the conditions in which we are conceived are never the same....

If you are going to decide that a horse is well bred on the basis of removed (Not out of same dam) relatives, then you will find almost everything is well bred.

The "damsire" is another wishy washy expression of breed quality. Most often the daughters of previously successful (and therefore expensive) stallions almost always make a successful "broodmare sires" because all of their daughters go to stud irrespective of how poorly they performed on the track, and the title always is a function of numbers.

These mares are almost always "well bred" else they would never have been sent to expensive stallions.

The edge that "well bred" gives you relative to how much well bred costs to buy, makes it a very doubtful one-check-box method of selecting racehorses imho.

Breeding them is a dimension harder. Humans breed thousands of horses using every technique we can think of, and yet champions are, and have to be, 1 in 1000's.

imho Fieldspring with John Newsome and Team Valor have played the well bred game best of all in the past 2 decades.

My favourite is when people point to a successful mare as the fourth or even fifth dam in a pedigree and say the horse "comes from a nice family." It might, but in human terms the fourth dam is the great great great grandmother. How many of us can even name our "fourth dams?" If I had to walk past a great grandson of my great great great grandmother in the supermarket I'd have no idea whatsoever that we are from 'the same family."

When stidying catalogues the thing I hate more than anything is something along the lines of "dam of 9 previous foals, 6 runners, 1 winner" for the dam. I run a mile even if there's a mare well down the page who produced five Gr 1 winners by 5 different sires. I know that sometimes mares like that can produce a star (Sun Classique was out of a mare whose numerous other offspring all veered between mediocre and downright useless), can throw a bunch of dogs to go with it, but what are the odds?

....and the sheep will follow...:S....that "well bred" phrase is normally uncontested because some boffins use it liberally ...to get some whales to fall into overpriced soupmeat....:....and those who cannot fathom why champions are around call them "freaks'...then buying and breeding horses becomes a lottery....just like punting does for those who know very little...:S

....not because Agra has this.... but I'd say that Trippi will have big affinty to dam sires with Danzig+BR ie National Assembly mares....

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JAMES BLOND Wrote:

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> anybody been able to find the breeding for EVER
> FAIR?


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Mac Wrote:

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> urban sea, stormsvlei

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Muhtiman Wrote:

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> ....not because Agra has this.... but I'd say that
> Trippi will have big affinty to dam sires with
> Danzig+BR ie National Assembly mares....
.....Ahem.....did u c Franny?