Nelson Mandela Tribute 21 Years of Freedom

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Nelson Mandela Tribute 21 Years of Freedom

13 years 11 months ago
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"21 years later, South Africa enjoys its freedom. You showed us your humility, perseverance, forgiveness. You did it all for us, for me. If it weren’t for you and others, I would not be where I am at today. For this, I am grateful. Hail to you Madiba!”

“Words cannot express the gratitude we have for you Mr Mandela for 'setting us free'. We wish you many years of health and eternal happiness. You are our legacy and our hero.”

These form part of the many tributes that have been received so far in this initiative “a Tribute to 21 years of freedom”.

Launched on the 25th of May, this initiative calls on all South Africans to participate in paying tribute to Mandela and his 21 years of freedom. This will culminate in a special tribute event to be held on the 21st of June at The Killarney Country Club, where other South African icons will also pay their tributes to Madiba. Premier Banking from FNB will host the icons, a group of existing clients and members of the South African public at this extraordinary experience.

If anyone is attending the event on the 21st at Killarney. Please post an update post event.

I am still trying to wangle an invite. (tu)

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Re: Re: Nelson Mandela Tribute 21 Years of Freedom

13 years 11 months ago
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Would have thought u would have been a guest speaker Sly?

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@Sylvester:

In my books, Madiba will go down in history (which will judge him) as the most inept and scheming Presidents ever of the ANC. With his Mandela Family Trust & dispatching cadres into the economic maelstrom for BEE and economic transformation... (read, enrichment of the favoured!), he set the precedent for the current concatenation of corruption, bribery and reverse racism.

The Truth & Reconciliation Commission was a great idea; however, no follow through with practical soclutions for meaningful reconciliation at all levels.

The socialist (nationalisation) directives of the Freedom Charter were aborted without even a blink; instead of AA, BEE, EE, BBBEE (?).... a watered down format of nationalisation (albeit socialism) would have been a far more adept solution to bring all our people to the trough, with a little less or more to feed, but enough to avoid a hungry,angry nation.

The emphasis on human rights, without the infra-structure to ensure its just comprehension and application (almost 50% of our illiterate community gives a damn for it.... no wonder the murders, rapes, and other crimes): we had to first educate our mass to contextualize the elements of HR, know one another (our diverse cultures, religious affiliations, languages, etc) for mutual respect.

Today, many whites and blacks (specifically Indians and Coloureds) are worse off than the abhorred 'apartheid' days. There is so much of insecurity, mistrust, racism (often covert, like Manyi and JuJu!) and cynicism from all sides.The anthem is now 'Africa for Africans', meaning just that..... for Africans (no matter that they descended from the north into Khoisan territory!)

To me, Nkosi Luthuli was the last great leader of the ANC (who signed the Freedom Charter); the others are mere play-actors!

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@ Umlilo

I heard this from the Pan African YL - Africa for Africans at the ANCYL conference. It's is also quite interesting what the new view of left and right politics is. Cosatu for instance is left and the left is now calling the African Nationalists, the right. This actually makes more sense calling a section of the minority - right. www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/p...&sn=Detail&pid=71654

What is significant is Malema's opening address. The traditional left SACP is no longer the vanguard of the poor in his great and wise opinion. He believes this now the responsibility of the ANCYL, amongst other rhetoric, land without compensation and nationalisation of mines. What he fails to acknowledge is a rise in the black middle and wealthy class. He fails to mention that Government in itself is the largest company in SA and as a result, the largest spender. He fails to mention that the white minority is already excluded from access to this spend. He has failed to mention reasons why there seeming is no entrepreneurial spirit to rise above existing companies in SA. He fails to mention that the wiling seller / buyer model failed partly due to the uncontrolled plundering of the Landbank. He fails to understand that most of the revolutionaries he mentions in his speech sacrificed a lot. What sacrifice is this great revolutionary making. Oh sorry he is making a sacrifice, fellow South Africans! He seeks to nationalise SA's banks? Come on what planet are we on here. He is lying to the people of SA, he has not put forward a coherent working model for the nationalisation agenda. He has not shown even his own people how the nationalisation model will benefit the masses. Our government, SA's largest company and biggest spender cannot fix the poor situation, yet he wants us to believe that nationalization of certain key assets will. It will continue to fix the pockets of the few.

I read an article the other day (could have been Cosatu again), www.iol.co.za/sundayindependent/of-fooli...class-race-1.1079120 the writer pointed out how misguided the black youth are. Black youths aspire to government jobs whilst, white, Indians and mixed race kids look to providing for themselves as they know they have no access to gov jobs. The meat puppet does not acknowledge this other than say that it is a result of "apartheid theft" and all should be taken away from the "thieves".

This form of African Mugabe style Nationalism does not end at white SA. The Indians, mixed race, Chinese (Especially the Chinese - Floyd already having a go at Government for joining Brics) will be next on the list of most hated by SA African Nationalists. Although limited, these African nationalists will view the representation these groups had in the former government as more than they had. They will view this as 2nd class citizenry whilst they themselves were expelled to the ranks of 3rd class citizenry. From there of course we will follow the history of the rest of Africa and further wars will be waged its own people on tribal lines. What is left, powerful African nationalists in a Banana Republic and people in a worse position than they are in now. I fail to believe that the state can effectively manage key strategic assets without a certain level of plundering. Unlike Capital they are also unable to control spend on HR and this is the Achilles heel of the ANCYL plan.

I was young when Winnie Mandela was a major force in SA politics but somehow I seem to remember her as being quite a radical political force. I am no convinced that she was happy with the outcome of our democracy and would preferred a Julius Malema proposed outcome. So it begs the question - "Who's speech was it anyway?"

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Re: Re: Nelson Mandela Tribute 21 Years of Freedom

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why spoil such a positive thread with unnecessary and ill-informed negativity.....

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> why spoil such a positive thread with unnecessary
> and ill-informed negativity.....


Sitting on the fence a bit - which comment do you believe is ill informed?

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umlilo Wrote:
> @Sylvester:
>
> In my books, Madiba will go down in history (which
> will judge him) as the most inept and scheming
> Presidents ever of the ANC. With his Mandela
> Family Trust & dispatching cadres into the
> economic maelstrom for BEE and economic
> transformation... (read, enrichment of the
> favoured!), he set the precedent for the current
> concatenation of corruption, bribery and reverse
> racism.
>
> The Truth & Reconciliation Commission was a great
> idea; however, no follow through with practical
> soclutions for meaningful reconciliation at all
> levels.
>
> The socialist (nationalisation) directives of the
> Freedom Charter were aborted without even a blink;
> instead of AA, BEE, EE, BBBEE (?).... a watered
> down format of nationalisation (albeit socialism)
> would have been a far more adept solution to bring
> all our people to the trough, with a little less
> or more to feed, but enough to avoid a
> hungry,angry nation.
>
> The emphasis on human rights, without the
> infra-structure to ensure its just comprehension
> and application (almost 50% of our illiterate
> community gives a damn for it.... no wonder the
> murders, rapes, and other crimes): we had to first
> educate our mass to contextualize the elements of
> HR, know one another (our diverse cultures,
> religious affiliations, languages, etc) for mutual
> respect.
>
> Today, many whites and blacks (specifically
> Indians and Coloureds) are worse off than the
> abhorred 'apartheid' days. There is so much of
> insecurity, mistrust, racism (often covert, like
> Manyi and JuJu!) and cynicism from all sides.The
> anthem is now 'Africa for Africans', meaning just
> that..... for Africans (no matter that they
> descended from the north into Khoisan territory!)
>
> To me, Nkosi Luthuli was the last great leader of
> the ANC (who signed the Freedom Charter); the
> others are mere play-actors!


History will judge him by what he stood for and not for what others did or shall do in the ANC name. Show me a speech or a plan by the honourable Mr Mandela alleviating to all your words you mentioned because what you stated is your view. You talk about Nationalisation makes you a Julius Malema follower in the mines saga. Let the man live gracefully in his retirement. The United Nations set a side a special day (Mandela Day) for him but he objected been the man he is and rather asked for 27 minutes of a person time to do good for the community. If a world body can find praise for him and honour him with a special day, so can you. Remember if it wasnt for him you wouldnt be entitled to your views as you posted cos there would be no freedom of expression. All this from what I thought was a steadfast shop steward who stood against the might of apartheid in its heyday and gained the term Umlilo. How sad !!!

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@Naresh:

'All this from what I thought was a steadfast shop steward who stood against the might of apartheid in its heyday and gained the term Umlilo. How sad !!!'

Firstly, I am not picking on Madiba the person; I mention him as a politician. As such, he is not above criticism/comment.... even in his twilight years. In fact, once he passes on, the biographers will not hesitate to praise him to the skies, or slaughter/demonize him!

Take the ANC cadres who were in ANC camps during the struggle, and many 'disappeared' (allegedly tortured and executed); neither the ANC nor Madiba offered to carry out an investigation and gave closure to the family members.

Colossal as Madiba might be in the international/local eyes, there are many questions that remain unanswered.

Yes, as a former activist, this is not what I struggled for; reverse racism and marginalisation of anyone who does not agree with or criticises the establishment.

In this, I am not alone; Ben Turok is the latest, as was Trevor Manuel on Manyi recently.

A non-racial country/ constitution is one thing, but, when the harping is about Africans as blacks with the monopoly to jobs and opportunities.... that sucks!

Is it little wonder that Gauteng Premier Mokonyana has noted the absence of Indians, Coloureds and whites from the ANC forums/structures as disturbing.... why?

It is only those who are within the 'inner circle' that can accompany a President to the July or offer shares to his family, that will disagree with what is the general feeling amongst Indians,Coloureds and whites (and even blacks).

As for my touching on nationalisation; what's so 'uncomfortable' about it to portray a parallel with Malema?

During 'apartheid' most of our services/utilities were nationalised and the country (albeit) prospered with jobs, housing, security, etc. I referred to a form of socialism; almost the whole of Europe is socialist.... for that matter, even the US is with its bailing out of banks and corporate companies with public money from the Treasury.

As for my views; I have raised pertinent questions on the TRC, BEE, AA, racism, etc, which any political commentator would interpret as the legacy of Madiba. That does not make me any less 'a steadfast shop steward who stood against the might of apartheid in its heyday and gained the term Umlilo.'

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Oh well i don't discuss politics, religion,money problems and Marital problems.

ALL off bounds to sensitive. will always get a blood nose.

For those that are interested we are celebrating Mandela the Man, Not Mandela the angel, or Mandela the fortune teller.

As a man he has his failings but for 27 years he was the ICON of the struggle. And when he came to power he was a modern leader that inspired people in this country when many were skeptical.

For those naysayers doubt you will get an invite to the function.

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@sylvester:

'i don't discuss politics, religion,money problems and Marital problems.

ALL off bounds to sensitive. will always get a blood nose.'

With respects, all the above (even marital problems such as former 'Mixed Marriages Act'!) are part and parcel of life.... more so in our country considering its 'coloured' history and the current status quo; one cannot get away from it!

It is also a 'sensitive' topic (politics) when most of us remain oblivious of not only the past, but totally ignorant about one another & use it as a pretext not to question or explore when it comes to 'nation-building'. In fact, Alcaponee has highlighted the black 'left' (non-racist) and the African Nationalist right (openly racist) groupings; such ominous developments should awaken us to act /mobilise, rather than sinking our heads in the sand like in the past!

However, within context, such topics/thread should not be permitted on this forum, whether 'Mandela the Man, Not Mandela the angel, or Mandela the fortune teller.'

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