val de ra wat achampion

East, the visiting trainers won 3 of the 4 feature races....()

easy Wrote:

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> Val De Ra,
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> good horse...champion NO WAY JOSE'
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> The clock dont lie boys and Shea Shea ran a faster
> time and the 2 year old not much slower.


Definately a champion. What more must she do, jose. Not too long ago what a winter was touted as a champion and she whipped his ass.

kittycatoo Wrote:

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> easy Wrote:
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> > Val De Ra,
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> > good horse...champion NO WAY JOSE'
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> > The clock dont lie boys and Shea Shea ran a
> faster
> > time and the 2 year old not much slower.
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> Definately a champion. What more must she do,
> jose. Not too long ago what a winter was touted as
> a champion and she whipped his ass.

Kittycatoo


The word "champion" is pretty powerful. She has won 3 G1's yet i think she benefitted from JJ being away. I am not saying she is not a very very good horse but for me to be called champion she would need to run within 5 lengths of black Caviar

I see there is some conjecture on SA horseracing.com. Some people (I call them people but I want to use other words) say that Val de Ra is as good as Black Caviar......They must know precious little about horse racing or the "rating" of horses.

I know the problem is patriotism and I'm as patriotic as the next "ex-pat" (chuckle) but there is reality and then there is fantasy island where these boys clearly live!

I hope Val de Ra continues her upward curve and I hope she runs well always but to compare her to the mighty Caviar???

Oh well, I guess opinions are good for the sport?

BC and VDR are in the same boat. They are hometown champions BC wont come close to JJ or the Rocket.

kittycatoo Wrote:

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> BC and VDR are in the same boat. They are hometown
> champions BC wont come close to JJ or the Rocket.


Kittycatoo, keep rooking that dagga...but even when it comes to that, the boys here tell me that the hydropnic grass here is BETTER than the BESTEST durban poisoin.

Kitty, I have to ask.....how do you come up with your reasoning apart from being patriotic to your home town stars?
The World rankings have Black Caviar and Frankel joint top on 130.......The only two horses even close to her that you mentioned is JJ and Rocket Man. Val De Ra is not even mentioned, but that may be that SA horses who have not run outside of SA are not considered, I don't know the answer to that. What I would imagine is if she were good enough and achieved her ratings against good enough opposition she would be ranked????

Lets stop thinking with our passports and start thinking with our brains. Val de Ra is great against a very ordinary sprinting group in SA right now. If she were to go to Dubai and beat Rocket Man in the Shaheen, then I'll revise my thinking.

Don`t mention that website here Tommy,they get a bit miffed sometimes lol X(

bob you know me, I don't have enemies on here and nor am I intending to make any. I know Ash and have done some writing for him. Why would he not like the media attention from other sources????



But I know what you mean...

I dont think Val De Ra could beat Frankel over 1200m

.......Personally I don't think Val De Ra could get within 15 lengths of Frankel over any distance they choose to run over.

We simply are not on the grid when it comes to most divisions, especially sprinters. They only horse who has made it overseas so far has been JJ!!!! The rest, nowhere!

val da ra over 5 furlongs is very good but over 1200metres she aint going nowhere beating headstrong a half a length or whatever...you guys have very short memories as to how good jj was and he was up there with the best but not the best and believe me he would have put val da ra to sleep...many south african racing fundis need to get their heads out the sand when they throw the words champion superstar etc...