USA next President Donald or Joe?

Victor wrote: [quote="Lionel" post

Oh, and lastly, aggression, personal attacks, and vulgarity may win arguments/debates in your neck of the woods, but it only demonstrates lack of depth and substance in mine.

bayern wrote: @ Lionel, there's a movie out right now called, The Plot Against The President, this alleges all you are referring too, "the unmasking and bigger than Watergate, etc", i have no problem who gets investigated, however, have you noticed that those investigations have ground to a dead-end, ever wondered why?

I've said before, i have no issues with people going to jail for doing wrong whether they are (ANC or DA), (Republican or Democrat), i care less.

What Trump is doing, is enforcing an autocracy, by wanting his political opponents investigated because they do not agree with him.

Again i say, i care less whether Trump is re-elected or not, I'm not American. I do think his supporters are being misled.

Getting back to Dinesh D'Souza, is he a hypocrite?, 100%, disprove it.

bayern wrote:

Victor wrote: [quote="Lionel" post

Oh, and lastly, aggression, personal attacks, and vulgarity may win arguments/debates in your neck of the woods, but it only demonstrates lack of depth and substance in mine.

Yet here you are supporting Trump. Oh the irony.

Lionel wrote:

bayern wrote: @ Lionel, there's a movie out right now called, The Plot Against The President, this alleges all you are referring too, "the unmasking and bigger than Watergate, etc", i have no problem who gets investigated, however, have you noticed that those investigations have ground to a dead-end, ever wondered why?

I've said before, i have no issues with people going to jail for doing wrong whether they are (ANC or DA), (Republican or Democrat), i care less.

What Trump is doing, is enforcing an autocracy, by wanting his political opponents investigated because they do not agree with him.

Again i say, i care less whether Trump is re-elected or not, I'm not American. I do think his supporters are being misled.

Getting back to Dinesh D'Souza, is he a hypocrite?, 100%, disprove it.

Bayern, wanting your political opponents investigated because they do not agree with you IS EXACTLY WHAT THE DEMS DID! They fabricated the Steele dossier. Fact. Paid for by Hillary. Fact. Then, by your own definition above, that makes them the ones "enforcing autocracy. Do you agree? I disagree Lionel, Christopher Steel has not been indicted with any crime/s, nor anyone else that you mention. There is no harm having someone investigated, there is a difference between being investigated, and being spied upon, which is what the GOP are alleging. The FBI/CIA can investigate anyone they wish too, including you and I. We need to agree on the meanings of the words being used, not so?

Trump wants the people who conspired and contrived this dangerous attack on democracy investigated. The dangerous attack exists only in his head Every American should. They tried to manipulate the elections.How so Lionel?, everyone including the Republican agree Russia meddled in the 2016 elections That is treason, and should appall everyone. I'll say it again, the FBI, CIA, NSA, DOJ and TOM, DICK and HARRY investigated DJT. They found NOTHING.This is exactly why Trump is now turning on the AG, William Barr, becuase he will not LOCK UP Obama, Hillary Clinton, or Joe Binden, for doing what the alleged to have done. There is no there, there, for the AG to act upon.

Now to Dinesh: Definition of hypocrisy: "the practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case". An example of a hypocrite is a person who says they care about the environment, but are constantly littering.

Please explain to me the nature of Dinesh's hypocrisy.

Lionel wrote: Bayern, The full Durham report is still to be released. One FBI lawyer is already in jail, for perjury. Let's see what happens. The FBI and CIA cannot just investigate anyone. Yes they can, that's exactly what is been alleged by Trump, or by yourself, an unjust investigation - not so? They need due cause. Thats why they made up the Steele dossier, to get the FISA warrant. Even Comey admitted that big errors were made.Errors were made, does not mean anything illegal was done. Errors in the procedures maybe, it's not a subtle difference. He blamed it "sloppiness". Each individual can make up their own minds about that.

What Dinesh did was wrong. I hope he asked for forgiveness. That is why we have that privilege. Because there is NO way we are not going to make mistakes. To put that episode into context, Dinesh was separated for 2 years from his wife, before dating this woman. Why do you think him and the first wife got divorced He never admitted to adultery though. That's what he wants the world to believe. Nevertheless, what he did is wrong. But guess what, so do we all. But Dinesh acknowledging God, he acknowledges that he cannot do it on his own, and that he needs a higher power. That's humility.It's called be caught, not humility Churches are full of sinners, asking God for forgiveness.

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote: Bayern, The full Durham report is still to be released. One FBI lawyer is already in jail, for perjury. Let's see what happens. The FBI and CIA cannot just investigate anyone. Yes they can, that's exactly what is been alleged by Trump, or by yourself, an unjust investigation - not so? They need due cause. Thats why they made up the Steele dossier, to get the FISA warrant. Even Comey admitted that big errors were made.Errors were made, does not mean anything illegal was done. Errors in the procedures maybe, it's not a subtle difference. He blamed it "sloppiness". Each individual can make up their own minds about that.

What Dinesh did was wrong. I hope he asked for forgiveness. That is why we have that privilege. Because there is NO way we are not going to make mistakes. To put that episode into context, Dinesh was separated for 2 years from his wife, before dating this woman. Why do you think him and the first wife got divorced He never admitted to adultery though. That's what he wants the world to believe. Nevertheless, what he did is wrong. But guess what, so do we all. But Dinesh acknowledging God, he acknowledges that he cannot do it on his own, and that he needs a higher power. That's humility.It's called be caught, not humility Churches are full of sinners, asking God for forgiveness.

Lionel, will you have an off-line chat with me about religion, i promise to be a gentleman and very civil?

Victor wrote: Trump knows what is coming to him and his family be it early next year or in 4 years time. Jail time.