LogicFinValue hits 7/10 winners and 3 places Clairwood 29 April

Maybe I am being unfair to Loopy here. All apologies then, I just thought I'd point out the variance. To give you another example. I see he also recommends 10% of your allotted bank balance on his suggested place bets. At a quick glance just scrolling down, there have been times when there have been at least seven consecutive losses on these. This would have resulted in a loss of more than 50% of your bank balance in a very short time. How many people do you know that would have had the guts to bet on the eighth one after seven losses and after losing over 50% of your their starting balance. Not many takers I think. I'm not having a go at Loopy here, I'm just pointing out the effect variance has in gambling. It's also crazy in poker and black jack. Loopy is probably a better handicapper than most of us here on this forum, and it can even effect him and his systems greatly.

Lucky_Dude Wrote:

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> Here are some of your stats I copied from your
> website...
>
> Month Balance Growth %
>
> 13-Sep R 10 200.00
> 13-Oct R 5 610.00 -45%
> 13-Nov R 2 470.00 -56%
>
>
> In just three months following you would have
> meant that the follower would have been left with
> just 24.2% of their original bank balance. Ouch!
> Even though it recovered again, there is no
> guarantee that it might not happen again or be
> even worse. Your variance for followers of your
> system seems to be huge and I'm not convinced the
> average person can stomach variance like that. How
> many people would continue following you after
> they have just lost about 75% of their money on
> you over a three month period. I don't think many
> at all.


Yeah Lucky,

Original bank balance was R1000,0 NOT R10000...you forgot to mention that the same person started on 17 August with a starting balance of R1000 so end November R2470 a GROWTH of still 137 % I would still take would't you?

Also forgot to mention that same person has since grown frof R2470 to hitting R100 000 yesterday and R102 000 after todays 3 green ones came and we just started then so have been improving since...and atleast we have the balls to be completely transparent to all...

Granted it's not an atm yes but I would take 10 000% growth in 8 months costing me R4000 in the process any day...

Lastly I note your growt in yoyr 3 day comp you pulled out of as negative...did not come across to me as a stayer...

Also from your website...

Win R100

Year Win 2% Growth 2%

2013 R -6 788.00 -779%

You would have turned R100 into a R6788 loss! I've never done worse than that, even playing the lotto

You do live in the past don't you...

That is all part of the current nett return of 10000% by the way...as I said we keep it transparent...

Lucky_Dude Wrote:

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> Maybe I am being unfair to Loopy here. All
> apologies then, I just thought I'd point out the
> variance. To give you another example. I see he
> also recommends 10% of your allotted bank balance
> on his suggested place bets. At a quick glance
> just scrolling down, there have been times when
> there have been at least seven consecutive losses
> on these. This would have resulted in a loss of
> more than 50% of your bank balance in a very short
> time. How many people do you know that would have
> had the guts to bet on the eighth one after seven
> losses and after losing over 50% of your their
> starting balance. Not many takers I think. I'm not
> having a go at Loopy here, I'm just pointing out
> the effect variance has in gambling. It's also
> crazy in poker and black jack. Loopy is probably a
> better handicapper than most of us here on this
> forum, and it can even effect him and his systems
> greatly.


please understand and go read again...we suggest a Fixed place value for every bet NOT 10% Lucky,

please acquint yourself with what we doing and the site and sto wasting my time replying...

shrek Wrote:

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> Well done Loopy, great tipping. -D

Well Done Loopy - wish you every success Bud:)-D

@Loopy Logic...from the figures supplied, your methodology seems to be working very well for you and your supporters / subscribers...no need for advertising your success when you make more in a single day from following your top picks than any amount new subscribers pay you...

So, once again, well done...if it works for you, that's your blessing...no need for it to be tarnished by feeling obliged to respond to doubters that you are unlikely to ever to win over...

Thanks Neven777 & TNaicker, Shrek, Lapdog, Craig, others

Appreciated. We do try and like all things in life we obviously cannot please everyone BUT our stats are completely transparent for all to see, win or lose. Funny that Lucky was begging me for a sponsor to his comp that he fainted out of just less than a week ago but nevertheless respect is earned not given.
I guess we could very well have hidden the place stats for the 2 months that went negative (Oct 2014 and Nov 2014) or just start the stats from R1000 again straight after but thats not fair, we do not hide behind our failures, we strive to improve....

I guess to be fair we should probably at the very least refunded membership to those IF they only stayed on for those 2 months concerned. ...but if they started on 17 August they would after those 2 months of losses still have been up by 137% in 4 months which I in any terms is a decent return nonetheless,

Granted we are not perfect but also note that we do not force anyone to take our tips, we merely compile the ratings with the suggested "Green ones" place & wins bets and it is off course up to the punter to make his own analysis from the sheet and own personal study guides.

Note we VERY clearly state we do not take place bets below R1,35 for obvious reasons (3 winners & 1 loss (75% SR) is only a 5% return on R1,35) but we do even list those as well and they make up a NETT R11300 loss from the total profit of R100 000 but we do keep it there for transparency to list ALL GREEN ONES not knowing whether we would achieve R1,35 prior to publishing the ratings....

We also make it very clear that it is not a replacement of form study as Ou Ryperd pointed out BUT does assist greatly in form study for
a) those that is not as learned in form & intent studying &
b) those that does not have the time it takes to do proper form studying

WHY DO WE DO IT:?
To answer TNaicker the answer is quite simple.. to keep us honest in being more dedicated since our ratings is not only relied by myself on a raceday but also by the members... this mere point makes 100% certain that no shortcuts are taken to publish the ratings and this ultimately allows us to prosper utilizing the ratings more...

This is the last post I will make on this subject, the post was not to boast or lure in new punters, it was merely typed in a moment of hype after having such an awesome day.

Good luck to all the form studiers out there and may your bets come home lonely.

Loopy
LogicFinValue

Gotta love how 12 guys will pay for ratings, yet when they free there are over 400 downloads. Laughable to say the least. Someone said no need to advertise and I agree fully. We just keep taking the bookie and totes money. Lots in the pipeline and I can't wait to take it to the next level.

@ Loopy, tell all the 'negative' posters to go and .........blow bubbles.

To be totally transparent loopy , please open a thread on ABC 's forum the next time your tips don't come in and they possibly have wrecked your followers bank balance. You can't say it's never happened .....

Do you even know the meaning of the word "transparent"? I am already posting every green one so what more you want me to do? Do you not understand how a system work? There's lossess, there are wins...I would just love to have a 100% strike rate but I'm not God...go harass someone else for the mistakes you have made in life...

Guys if you don't have Discipline, perseverence & commitment then please stay away from a system to progressively improve your bankroll. Rather go and put your savings in an atm for 1/2% a month and leave gambling far far away from your daily life. If you feel like you want to blame someone else for what you have become, rather look in the mirror and start new, this time with the passion, discipline & commitment this game deserves...and when YOU make decisions manup to them and stand tall,they are YOUR decisions after all.

Lucky, I cannot recall that you have ever been a paying member of LogicFinValue, and if you where and walked away without showing the committment to stand tall through a lean patch, speak to me, show me the proof, and I will try help you wherever I can.