Hong Kong is lost and it`s the bookies to blame !

Scotia the survey goes to shareholders

I remember something similar happening in a little town called SALEM a century or two ago - If the value offered by the tote, (service etc) was up to that of the bookies then would we be having this debate - Were the bookies responsible for Greyville losing so many meeting, did they employ the track manager in Kimberley that enjoyed a few pints of diesel every week, did they employ the identifier with a phobia for horse, did they build and design the majestic Vaal Sand Racetrack and the list goes on and on. When you cannot blame yourself for the disaster your business has become there is always a Witch somewhere that can take that blame as long as your CUSTOMERS believe in witches!!

Must be same surveys that they use when introducing new bet types...()

The fewer options races shown on TT, the fewer tote betting opportunities...some punters don't have the resources to source pictures to view races to bet on...internet costs are very high in SA and bandwidth issues limit those that can access live streaming properly...

The sport was always exclusive in terms of ownership (prohibitive costs if doing so as an individual) and now the operators want to make punting / viewership exclusive also...well, their business model seems to be that 10% of the punters provide 90% of their turnover so cater for them exclusively...well, lets see how long that model sustains itself...the 90% of the punters out there that have their R2-R20 bet contribute a lot to the operators' profits and the 10% that the operators seem to be directing their efforts at will not necessarily make up the shortfall...

I'll stick to my sports betting...mainly tennis, rugby, cricket, etc...and I'll do that with the bookie with no chance of the mystery overseas punter affecting my payout..

i dont see the open bet being mentioned in the above statement ONLY that HK doesnt want ANY bookies betting on there product... 2 totally different scenarios imo, or have i misread the press release?

louisg Wrote:

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> So why dont bookies just stop the open bet ?

Louis as a reasonable person within the game ,confirm that taking 20 steps backwards to show your authority is the right way to go:S

As I have stated before, my personal view is that the bookies are using the intellectual property of the tote (the tote's resources-tote system and pools-produce the prices...) when using the open bet so I think that bookies must either pay of the use thereof or refrain from using it...

So even though I use the bookies exclusively, I only take fixed price bets on the races I can see...

Follow the money...who benefits (expects to benefit) most from an outcome is the one that is party to or committed the act that led to the outcome...

I say Phuckem......all life's little joys evaporating before our very eyes....useless bunch of c@nts....Poor tools could not grow pools and always cry foul that bookies spoil our pot.....they are to blame they all should be shot!!!!

things are going from bad to worse.i blame phum because they have a monoply in tote,yet they still not happy with the situation and wage a war against bookies to the detriment of there clients,the punters who must now suffer because of this war.there punters will now lose out on watching races on 239 because of this war,the punters must now stream racing on the net at great extra cost for bandwith which could have been ploughed into tote pools via bets,and the way i see it most punters will lose interest and move to other forms of gambling.

phumelela is killing the sport of horseracing in this country with their greed and the sad thing is they dont even realise what they are doing is going to destroy the industry in a very short space of time.

....suppose the bookies were also to blame for that little snafu of incorrectly carded runners in race 4 that saw the race declared null and void this past Wednesday.....bunch of amateurs.....further insult was the poor excuse of emergency runners which is never the case for Hong Kong.....shame on you....lying pr!cks....you deserve to loose it on that alone.....I'm soured to the situation that racing has been dragged down to...

TNaicker Wrote:

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> As I have stated before, my personal view is that
> the bookies are using the intellectual property of
> the tote (the tote's resources-tote system and
> pools-produce the prices...) when using the open
> bet so I think that bookies must either pay of the
> use thereof or refrain from using it...
>
> So even though I use the bookies exclusively, I
> only take fixed price bets on the races I can
> see...
>
> Follow the money...who benefits (expects to
> benefit) most from an outcome is the one that is
> party to or committed the act that led to the
> outcome...

Mr Naicker... what would your take be as far as soccer bets are concerned which historically was always offered by bookies.

louisg Wrote:

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> So why dont bookies just stop the open bet ?


Louis ,I assume you post here to justify the idea that all clanners are idiots!!!

agra Wrote:

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> TNaicker Wrote:
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>

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> > As I have stated before, my personal view is
> that
> > the bookies are using the intellectual property
> of
> > the tote (the tote's resources-tote system and
> > pools-produce the prices...) when using the
> open
> > bet so I think that bookies must either pay of
> the
> > use thereof or refrain from using it...
> >
> > So even though I use the bookies exclusively, I
> > only take fixed price bets on the races I can
> > see...
> >
> > Follow the money...who benefits (expects to
> > benefit) most from an outcome is the one that
> is
> > party to or committed the act that led to the
> > outcome...
>
> Mr Naicker... what would your take be as far as
> soccer bets are concerned which historically was
> always offered by bookies.

Soccer 4, 6, 10, 13 are tote creations and therefore no issue there...I'm aware that they use fixed odds to guide picks but anyone can price up based on their book...the open bet payouts though are a function of the operator's creation and therefore, to me, as a lay person, their intellectual property...

My view is that the operator should stick to what they have created and the bookies must stick to what is their forte...but both parties want everything and in so doing they will harm the industry that they are both dependent on...