Nominating and accepting horses not in your yard

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> > hey Mr H....you showing your age....
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> The German version was a poor copy of the original
> event which I attended with my old mate Brutus in
> Rome a while back


Classic.....(tu) and your reply too....()()

TRAINER OF THE YEAR FLAMINGO PARK - Jaap Visser.

Do they deserve it? Don't think so. It is time the Visser yard is exposed.

They are abusing owners in their yard. They take horses on deals and at the end of the day they cannot pay their monthly expenses.
The next phone call is to the new owner for a loan. Eventually some owners see the light and don't want anything to do with them.
Know for a fact that they had to pay a large amount yesterday before 10 to accept horses. They accepted at 9.55. Did their prominent PE owner paid the money? Also know for a fact that they borrowed money for wages. They still owe the "late Peter Miller" a big amount, you can confirm with Steph Miller in Kbly. Buying horse feed is also a nightmare, they lie and sometimes even cry to con people to help them with horse feed.

They nominate and accept horses that are not in their yard. They get the horse two or three days before the race, the horse wins and "boom" another winner added to Jaap Vissers stats. Is this fair to other trainers chasing the championship?

Mrs Joanne Visser who "loves all her horses" only comes to the stable on noms and declaration days and only because she uses the club's telephone and fax. On race days she is an "expert" on the horses.

I think its also time the NHRA launches an investigation into their passports. Vaccinations get signed by a Jhb vet. When last did anybody see the Jhb vet, must be 18 months ago. It must be very easy to trace the vet's visits, Recall Security must sign him in at the security gate.

Also I think it's time that horses in their yard must be tested randomly. Maybe a surprise visit during the week or the morning before races.

To trainers, with integrity, the most important in their yard are their horses and then their owners. You cannot lie to an owner. It is so expensive to get a horse to the track and then to lie to your owners is a disgrace. In these difficult times trainers need to make it easy on owners, because they need them badly. I think any owner will appreciate when a trainer tells him immediately if there is something wrong with the horse or if the horse is not competitive. The Vissers run horses with low merit ratings in high merit rated races. Example Karlo that ran on 15 April over a 2200m with a merit rating of 66 in a Pinnacle race. Only 8 horses in the race, 3 of them not distance suited, and won the race. Instead of the normal 5 points for a Pinnacle race the horse got 14 points.( I know the Sham's turned this horse down, was already in their yard - must have their reasons.) The horse can now only run in Pinnacles. Is that clever, I don't think so, but they were greedy and couldn't be bothered about the horse, owner or punter, and racing needs punters as well.

Un-ethical people don't belong in racing. They should be exposed and wiped out.

pretty much the story i am going to tell. Just about to go into a meeting but seeing as the cat is out the bag i will post my experience sometime soon

As a punter i would like to know who is training these horses that just turn up a day or two before raceday?

Mr hawaii what u perceive to be backstabbing some of us mortals see only as the truth i take it that apart from being a punter u r also a owner

Rockspider Wrote:

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> Mr hawaii what u perceive to be backstabbing some
> of us mortals see only as the truth i take it that
> apart from being a punter u r also a owner


it has been going on for years - The knives were always out for the Late Peter Miller (10+ years ago) (he was accused of everything behind his back )

Peter were never involved in controversy like this thats a fact if i was a owner of a horse that could have been elimanated due to a rule being broken in this instance rule 49 up to 53 iwould seriosly consider my involvement in racing in this case i dont think there is backstabbing just plain facts that are easily verifyble if properly investigatedj

easy Wrote:

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> pretty much the story i am going to tell. Just
> about to go into a meeting but seeing as the cat
> is out the bag i will post my experience sometime
> soon


Must have been a long meeting Easy?

See the horse was scrathed at 10h04 today

Mystery as gamble is withdrawn by stewards
By Peter Scargill 8:55PM 22 JUL 2013 racingpost.com

MYSTERY surrounded an eyecatching gamble and subsequent stewards' withdrawal of Like A Diamond at Ballinrobe on Monday night after officials announced they were concerned the three-year-old was not in the care of his stated trainer.

An unraced gelding, Like A Diamond was initially priced up at 50-1 by bookmakers before he was rapidly shortened, reaching a low of 11-4 with Paddy Power for the 1m1f maiden, in which he was due to be ridden by Wayne Lordan.

The stewards received a report from Chris Gordon, Turf Club senior security officer, who stated Like A Diamond was not trained at the registered licensed premises of Sharon Dunphy at Drish, Thurles, County Tipperary but at another premises in the neighbourhood.

Evidence was heard from Dunphy which included her acceptance of Gordon's report into the matter.

Evidence was also heard from groom Fabian Burke, who had entered the racecourse stables on a temporary pass to work for Dunphy last night.

Having considered the report and the subsequent evidence and in particular the admission by Dunphy that Like A Diamond was not trained from her licensed training establishment as required by rule 147 (vi), the stewards ordered the horse's withdrawal and referred the matter to the Turf Club.

The gamble was described as "a bit funny" by Liam Glynn of Boylesports, who said: "We inserted it at 33-1 this morning and we had quite significant support all morning and were forced to go 16-1, then 10s, 7s and I think we got as low as 3-1.

"It came across as a genuine gamble, this wasn't just a bookies' move, although it was a bit funny as the trainer had not had a winner since St Stephen's Day [December 26]."